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Postby Guest » 12/30/02 05:10 AM

I am a huge Lance Burton fan and saw him perform December 2001 in Cerritos, CA and this last August in Vegas. I was curious if anyone knew a couple things about him. Namely, why did he and ex-wife Melinda break up??? I ask because they seemed the perfect couple and they were married such a short time. Also he was engaged to Kim Barranco, and that relationship ended too. I just was wondering if anyone knew what happened in these instances. He seems to be such a down to earth and generous person, I am just trying to figure out why these relationships didn't work out.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 12/30/02 09:31 AM

If any of us did know about Lance's personal business, we certainly wouldn't talk about it in a public forum like this!
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Postby Guest » 12/31/02 07:36 AM

Richard,

This is the "gossip" section, isn't it??? Why bother having it if there's no gossip??? I mean, David Copperfield collapsing wasn't sacred, so why should this be any different??? I understand and respect that you want Lance to have his privacy, however, he is a public figure. Public figures have to accept the fact that fans are interested in them and their lives. No, it doesn't mean that we get to intrude profoundly upon them, but I would like to know the answers to the questions I asked. Better I find out here than a tabloid or something. It should be no suprise that I am curious about the questions I asked. Sorry if you feel otherwise. Maybe if the questions I asked are too personal, this section of the forum should be completely removed. What's the point of having a gossip section if you can't gossip??? I mean you can't have it both ways.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 12/31/02 08:47 AM

You're right, and the name of this section will be changed to "Buzz" on January 1 at the suggestion of the new chief, Mr. Racherbaumer.
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Postby Guest » 12/31/02 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
[QB]You're right, and the name of this section will be changed [...]
ALL RIGHT, WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH RICHARD KAUFMAN!?!!
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Postby Jon Racherbaumer » 12/31/02 10:12 AM

Fandom is an odd pathology.

A fan's swoon begins with the star's Work or performances, then grows tentacles that mix intense curiosity with an almost gluttonous desire to infiltrate the star's very body and soul. This leads to some exotic, weird excesses. Locks of Elvis's hair (gathered by a barber in 1962) is sold on eBay. Underground porn videos of stars are passed around. Fake porn pics are posted. Baseball player's discarded bubble gum is sold. The list is long and bizarre.

Of course we want to know things about the various celebrities in magicdom, and David Copperfield's collapse is certainly fair game. It is part of the Buzz of the Inconsequential. News along these lines will be welcome in the BUZZ section of this Forum. However, we prefer to stay as close to the Work as possible. We don't want to get sidetracked and diverted.
Siegfried and Roy, like Madonna, are also Famous for Being Famous; however, as magicians we should be more interested in their Work and the reasons why they became and are still famous--not the other trappings and issues of fame.

Lance Burton's private life, like our own, should be private and not privy to outsiders and strangers. Why a marriage collapses or who someone is dating or sleeping with are none of our business.

We may, however, (with a wink and a nod) occasionally direct you to other tabloid stories or other saucy sites elsewhere, but we will not cover such details in this Forum.
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Postby John LeBlanc » 12/31/02 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Jon Racherbaumer:
Fandom is an odd pathology.

A fan's swoon begins with the star's Work or performances, then grows tentacles that mix intense curiosity with an almost gluttonous desire to infiltrate the star's very body and soul. This leads to some exotic, weird excesses. Locks of Elvis's hair (gathered by a barber in 1962) is sold on eBay. Underground porn videos of stars are passed around. Fake porn pics are posted. Baseball player's discarded bubble gum is sold. The list is long and bizarre.
I wonder if my Mason jar filled with Valerie Bertinelli's bathwater (circa 1979) would qualify as bizarre. Probably not, since it has its own pedestal in its own room. Bizarre would be sleeping with it under my pillow, which I stopped doing weeks ago.


Lance Burton's private life, like our own, should be private and not privy to outsiders and strangers. Why a marriage collapses or who someone is dating or sleeping with are none of our business.


I agree with this.

There's also the other, darker side to celebrity chasing. Sometimes you learn things you'd just as well not know, which things occasionally lead to finding it unbearable to enjoy said celebrity's work.

I'd just as soon avoid train-wreck "news" if I can. (Grocery store lines make this difficult.)

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Postby Guest » 12/31/02 10:38 AM

I am still confused....there are stories about Melinda Saxe's lack of talent and such, but Lance Burton's personal life is off limits??? Melinda has basically gotten bashed on this site, but I don't see anyone getting the hammer for it, or told to knock it off. I get the feeling this site is picky about what info is revealed. Hmm...maybe it's because Melinda is a woman...nothing like the good ol' boys network hard at work. Once again, I understand everyone wanting to protect his privacy, but the minute he because famous, his private life ceased to exist, whether you believe it or not. When you step into the spotlight, you have to expect that the press and fans want to know about your life, yes, personal things that you don't want revealed.
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Postby John LeBlanc » 12/31/02 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Tsunamee5:
Melinda is a women
No, no, no.

[censored] is a men; Melinda is a woman.

Hope this helps.

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Postby David Alexander » 12/31/02 11:30 AM

Lance Burton's only responsibility is the same as any other performer, which is to give us the best possible show he can for our money. What he does off stage is none of our business unless he is an elected official who holds himself out to be something that he isn't.

Melinda Saxe's public performances - like those of any other performer - are up for criticism by anyone and everyone who cares to toss in their two cents. What she does or doesn't do off stage is an area that should not concern us. If you don't like her work, don't pay to see her, don't watch her on television. At last report, all television sets still have channel changers and off switches.

If you really don't like what you see on television, write to the show's sponsors and the network president telling them you won't watch and won't buy product.
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Postby Guest » 12/31/02 01:11 PM

I have to admit that I am getting as confused as Tsunamee5.

There are some "personal" bits that should be widely disseminated. For example, Bob Markwood's "problem" should have been shouted from the rooftops, rather than been hidden away and [censored] over in club meetings.

And I seem to remember a reprint of an article in Genii Speaks that addressed the proclivities of Duvivier.

So, if we are drawing a line, please let us all know where it is. It is not that I necessarily oppose line-drawing, I just need a map.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 12/31/02 01:24 PM

What happens between a man and wife is their business. I don't know what happened to their marriage and frankly I couldn't care less. That's their problem--not ours. It's not our business and doesn't affect us in any way.
Bob Markwood is a convicted child molester. Had the Genii Forum been up and running during Markwood's trial, we've probably would've seen some comments on it, though we would have to assume he was innocent until proven guilty. Now that he's been convicted and put in prison, we can call him the monstrous bastard he is. The fact that he was molesting innocent children under the guise of being a magical entertainer IS something that affects us.
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Postby Guest » 12/31/02 01:35 PM

I'm not sure, maybe it's me, but, if I had the chance to ask Lance Burton a question it would NOT BE ABOUT HIS PERSONAL LIFE.
No wonder so many celebrities are rude to 'fans'.
I know that I wouldn't want everyone knowing all my personal affairs (pardon the expression).

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Postby Guest » 12/31/02 02:43 PM

So if what happens between a husband and a wife is none of our business, then why were Lance and Melinda on the cover of Genii when they got engaged years ago??? If their divorce is none of our business then is their engagement??? It just doesn't make sense to me....sorry, but like I said, I thought the name of the forum was "gossip".
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Postby Lance Pierce » 12/31/02 03:20 PM

The fact that Lance and Melinda were engaged, then married and subsequently divorced are matters of public record. The reasons why they were divorced, the angst, the issues, and the conflicts, if any, are not.

Tsunamee5, if I understand correctly, takes the position that when a person achieves celebrity status their right to privacy (or at least public conjecture about private affairs) is forfeit. My first feeling is that this is a difficult position to defend, but not one that's hard to understand. In recent decades we've seen media pry and pry and pry in the interest of a public's "right to know" until it seems that celebrities must battle for any privacy at all. A question is, would we continue that precedent? Just because "that's the way it is," does that mean that's the path we're going to continue?

It seems obvious that such prying into, say, Lance Burton's, Melinda's, or anyone else's life not only doesn't benefit them, it doesn't benefit us to do so. I look back over my entire life and try to count the number of times that such gossip has garnered any good at all of any kind. So far, I can't think of a single one. There seem to be plenty of examples, though, where it's caused a great deal of harm.

Simply because someone is well known doesn't justify making them a target for our somewhat perverse curiosity -- nor does it make them somehow lesser than we are, less deserving of the same respect, same regard, and the same treatment as anyone else. In fact, in the case of the greatly talented, I'd think it would make them more deserving of our regard and the treatment to match. So, we enjoy the shining brilliance that they share with us and leave the rest alone.

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Postby Jon Racherbaumer » 12/31/02 03:56 PM

There have been excellent back-and-forth postings regarding this issue. Please notice, if you haven't already, how subsequent postings keep putting a finer (if not refined) point on the issues or questions being examined. This is a sample of "focus."

There are of course many vectors and boundaries and "lines" to acknowledge and to attempt, if one dares, crossing. These "lines" continually shift and change, but not that dramatically. The nice feature of this Forum is that everyone is becoming more adept at developing the process of self-regulation. The "map" of decorum will soon be defined and understood by all.

A commonsensical rule of thumb about measuring one's capacity for invasiveness or impertinence could be this:

Would you ask the same questions if you were face-to-face with the celebrity that has piqued your curiosity. Would you look Melinda in the eye and ask, "Hey! Why did you and Lance split the sheets?" Would you ask Lance (about his current girl friend), "Is she as hot as she looks?"

Also, as others have incisively pointed out, one should not confuse a celebrity's PERFORMANCE in a PUBLIC venue with their PRIVATE LIVES in their personal domains. One may be free to comment positively or negatively about Melinda's magical abilities, but questions about her relationships or sexuality are (or should be) out of bounds.

If someone really wants to know such things, then address the horse's mouth and see how far it gets you.

In the meantime, thanks for the great posts.

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Postby Guest » 12/31/02 05:20 PM

I have been a Genii fan for over 30 yrs.. I would rather hear about a finesse on a Deep edge palm than encroach on someones private life . Over the years I have seen and heard the most bizarre stories about different well known magicians perverse habits and escapades. So what? Maybe thats what fuels their imagination and creativity.If they are not harming anyone so be it ,If they are dont discuss it in this forum ...call 911
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Postby Guest » 01/01/03 03:35 AM

I get the impression that many of you know exactly why Lance and Melinda didn't work out...hmm...guess his "private" life isn't so private at all if so many people know about it. I still stand by my statement that when you enter the spotlight as an actor, entertainer, singer...you give up your privacy. I believe any individual who becomes famous must know that they are giving up their right to many private things. I didn't ask about his sex life, just why the marriage lasted less than a year. I don't believe it's an unreasonable question, especially when I can find tons of info on him on the internet. If no one will discuss it on the forum, can someone email me personally with some tidbits??? Hey, it's a good compromise!!!
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Postby Terry » 01/01/03 06:44 AM

Tsunamee5, in your little world we understand no public person should have a private life. Thankfully, the rest of us don't live in your little world.

When I pay money to see a movie, I am NOT paying for the right to intrude on the actors personal life. What the actor does in PUBLIC may be held up to public notice, but what they do inside their homes is NONE of anyone's business!

The public announcement of Lance & Melinda's wedding was the same as any wedding announcement. Other magicians getting married or having babies are published in the pages of Genii & Magic.
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Postby Hanno » 01/01/03 08:23 AM

hi Tsunamee 5,
why cant you stop insisting on the privat life of lance burton? You have heard here a lot of arguments why nobody wants to discuss this kind of stuff. There are a lot of publications around which dont respect the private life of famous people. Buy them and enjoy.
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Postby Frank Yuen » 01/01/03 11:52 AM

Tsunamee5 said:

I get the impression that many of you know exactly why Lance and Melinda didn't work out...hmm...guess his "private" life isn't so private at all if so many people know about it. I still stand by my statement that when you enter the spotlight as an actor, entertainer, singer...you give up your privacy. I believe any individual who becomes famous must know that they are giving up their right to many private things. I didn't ask about his sex life, just why the marriage lasted less than a year. I don't believe it's an unreasonable question, especially when I can find tons of info on him on the internet.
Tsunamee5, yes, we ALL know why they split up but just don't want to tell you. Seriously, I doubt that anyone here knows but even if they did know, they don't feel it is right to post it. We don't feel it is anyone's business. Even if your argument about a celebrity's right to privacy was correct (which it isn't) you still have no basis to argue and insist that others provide you with information that they may know. At least out of a court of law. :)

You are right when you say that it isn't an unreasonable question. It's pretty obvious that you are a Lance Burton groupie (I mean who the heck is Kim Barranco?). Curiosity gets the better of us sometimes; but it isn't the most proper or respectful question to ask and that's why no one wants to discuss it. However, you are wrong when you state that a celebrity gives up their right to privacy. When a person garners fame they perhaps give up their expectation of privacy, they do expect people to be curious and to be asked about their private life but in no way does that mean that they lose their right to a private life and that answers have to be provided.

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Ps. You seem like a newbie so just for future reference (and to bring the topic back to magic, it's also not cool to ask another magician the secret to an effect that they showed you.
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Postby MaxNY » 01/01/03 06:45 PM

Me? I dig the gossip and rumors. Can't get enough of them. I am fascinated with why a dozen magicians make millions, and millions of magicians make dozens. What makes these guys tick? Why is it that David Blaine hires some guy to videotape him, wherever he goes? Or that Penn shows you his Harness style Hammock (in a sound proof room) on a "Cribs" style cable network show? I loved Norton Nork. I loved Batman as a kid also, but I must tell you here and now, that my opinion of Adam West has changed since I believed to have spotted him in a Go-Go bar Monday night. Between the sheets off limits? Ok,not in this forum... but getting a lap dance from...(what in my mind are undercover Clone-aid's getting what they need to spead Batmans all over this world?) OK, not in this forum... Here are two highly creative, successful people living together...Artistic types are a tough bunch to habitat with. Maybe the thread should also ask, "Why are there so many single famous magicians?" I find myself "Miss"-directing my wife all the time, and I hate myself for doing it. We are a manipulative group of Badgers. Lance is a Kentucky boy, Melinda (I think) grew up in a Las Vegas; review stye household. I always thought it was a mix-match from the start. And, can you imagine one spouse entertaining at a cut-throat, hard punch, Hotel on the Strip, and the other spouse working across the street? Or have I just been watching too many Vegas via Hollywood movies?
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Postby Bill McFadden » 01/01/03 07:04 PM

Dare I ask if Tsunamee5 has a line on procuring a set of Rich Little videos? ;) :eek:
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 01/01/03 08:06 PM

Originally posted by MaxNY:
Me? I dig the gossip and rumors. Can't get enough of them.
I have a problem with vague discussions of other folks private lives. I have seen bad things happen in families and sorry things happen in others people's domestic lives. Just what is worthy of discussion?

Years ago a friend told me it would be okay with him for me to date his ex. I was aware of how his breakup with her was painful to him. For him to be able to seperate his pain about one thing to open a possibility of happiness for me did it.

Here is a simpler view of such matters. Ask yourself if you really want to know "Who's on first?" and "What's on second?". Do you want to know about "third base"? To all of this I am pleased to know my answers are: "I don't know" and "I don't care".
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Postby Guest » 01/01/03 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Bill McFadden:
Dare I ask if Tsunamee5 has a line on procuring a set of Rich Little videos? ;) :eek:
In case there's a discount for group purchase, sign me up too. Just think of it as my "lust for life".

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Postby Guest » 01/02/03 09:17 AM

Hanno,

You asked me why I keep asking the question...my answer is because I was led to believe that this was a "gossip" section, when it isn't. I was misled...I thought that members gossiped in this section. Obviously, what this forum considers to be gossip and what I believe it to be are two totally different things. MaxNY, thanks for the support, I see I am NOT THE ONLY ONE who likes the juicy stuff.
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Postby Jon Racherbaumer » 01/02/03 09:57 AM

For Those Who Savor "Juice":

It would be interesting if "juice addicts" conveyed WHY they love juicy gossip. What drives this impulse? And, please, try to provide answers that have explanatory force.

I'm a huge fan of the SUBJECT of gossip. I have several books on the topic in my library. One of the pop books on this subject is simply title, DISH. A more academic book is titled GOOD GOSSIP, which is a serious study.

There are of course many POSITIVE values that are derived from GOOD gossip.

As the BUZZ section broadens and ripens, the notion of what constitutes GOOD gossip will be apparent.

Otherwise....?

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Postby MaxNY » 01/02/03 12:30 PM

I will comment on this topic, and why it may have intrigue appeal...First; is the overall voyeuristic appeal, probably a sin, I admit it. Both humans are good-looking. Their commonality (as far as being sucessful illusionist) puts them together, we can all see that. It's human nature to want to know that "missing piece" to this puzzle. How is it that this couple couldn't bond? I blame their surroundings. Las Vegas, New Orleans, New York, Los Angeles all difficult places to keep from sinning. And who can trust revue dancers? Is it that we should all just blame jealousy? May not be the case. ---I think we all want to see a girl talk Blaine down off the next big "Pole" stunt... The girl who can do that, will probably win him over, yet ruin his career. It's Fiona vs. The Grave....Josie vs. The Iceman....Hannah vs. The Pole...There is great drama that went on backstage, so much so; I question "Was it deliberately left from his book?" Why? Am I the only one who thinks this drama would have sold twice as many books? (Different thread, I know)... I have edited myself in the past, many times. There has been REALLY juicy stuff on Blaine in the New York Post, but it's sexuality wouldn't make sense here. So, I also see the edge to the coin, and realize that heads or tails isn't always the predictable choice...
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Postby Steve Hook » 01/02/03 03:56 PM

Sorry, but all you guys have been had.

"Tsunamee5" is a troll :rolleyes: , either ML or an ML wannabe. Fall into his traps if you wish...or just ignore him.

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Postby Guest » 01/02/03 04:09 PM

I note without comment that the details of a couple's personal life are being sought here by an individual too skittish to use his or her own name.
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Postby Guest » 01/02/03 08:33 PM

Oh come on! Everybody knows all professional magicians are homosexual! Don't they? --Asrah (semi-pro). :D
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Postby John LeBlanc » 01/02/03 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Asrah:
Oh come on! Everybody knows all professional magicians are homosexual! Don't they? --Asrah (semi-pro). :D
Oh the pain of finding out I'm a nobody who knows nothing.

Crikey. And it all seemed so blissful.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 01/02/03 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Asrah:
Oh come on! Everybody knows all professional magicians are homosexual! Don't they?
Hmmm.... not gonna touch that with a ten foot troll.

A side by side comparison of traits shared by magicians and really affected flambouyant stereotypycal homosexuals does give one pause. Got silk hankys in bright colors? thimbles? mysogynistic acts? like to dress in shiny clothes? tight pants? affected gestures? got attitude? gossip? gossip about size?

When approached by odd (saying 'pick a card') people it is usually effective to simply say 'not intersted'.

It is usually more effective to pursue one's private intersts in private.

So to those who wish to get involved with Lance or whomever, please keep your personal agendas private. I really don't want to know "Who's on first" and "What's on second". Thanks.
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Postby Guest » 01/03/03 02:33 AM

The definition of "Buzz" is inherently fuzzy. If you don't like the topic of someone's question, you could choose to ignore it, and eventually it would die. Alternatively, one could simply choose not to read a gossip thread.

On a sidebar (my homage to Judge Ito), I've noticed, with surprise, that Jon R. has used the word "should" several times in this forum.

Now to fuel the fire regarding gossip in general, and Lance gossip in particular, I've always wondered if it was true that Lance once punched out Copperfield for using Lance's illusions in a show.

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Postby MaxNY » 01/03/03 05:49 AM

Never heard that one...? But got me wondering, was it true Siegfried and Roy gave Zany Blany a blank check for his suspension?
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Postby Pete Biro » 01/03/03 11:48 AM

The one thing I know for sure about Lance and Melinda... at their wedding I proposed to my love and she said "Yes."

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Postby Guest » 01/03/03 02:05 PM


Happy New Year.
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Hey Ti Jean,

Completely off topic but you share a nickname with an old friend of my father. It would be impossible for you to be the same guy but are you from Lowell, MA by any chance?

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Postby Guest » 01/05/03 09:24 AM

Jon,

You asked why I love juicy gossip....I don't consider myself to be exceptionally "nosey" and I am not a "troll" as one rude person called me. By the way, if that same person must know, my name is Christina Houston, and I am not a magician, but yet interested in magicians and magic. Gee, so much for MY PRIVACY if he must know my name!!! I am simply a fan who is interested and very very curious, not just about Lance, but about many things. One reason I would like to know is because I have read a couple online interviews from Melinda that make it seem as though Lance was at fault for the breakup, in a very negative sort of way. I find Lance to be a very generous and down to earth person, from what I've experienced seeing him onstage and read about. Instead of believing the "bad gossip", I figured a more reputable site such as Genii could provide some more accurate info. Sigh...I guess I was wrong, and believe it or not, I mean no harm and am not trying to be rude. I apologize if I upset everyone, I didn't think this would turn into such a big event. As they say, "curiosity killed the cat but the satisfaction brought her back"...there's really no other reason than curiosity's sake that I ask these questions.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/05/03 09:52 AM

Lance has taken the high road since his divorce from Melinda and NEVER publically discussed the circumstances or reasons.
Frankly, I would tend to disbelieve the person spouting off.
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Postby Steve Bryant » 01/05/03 10:44 AM

To my knowledge, Melinda has also taken the high road and not discussed her breakup with Lance. I've conducted two extended interviews with her since the breakup, and she has had only nice things to say about him, very nice things. Indeed, it is a characteristic of hers not to say bad things about anyone (unlike some magicians, or at least bbs magicians, who seem to go out of their way to knock her). Sure, we were all curious about the breakup as it happened so fast, but we should also let it go. Two nice people for whom things didn't work out as planned.
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