Totally out of control

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Totally out of control

Postby Guest » December 8th, 2002, 1:48 pm

Hi, I just got Chris Kenners totally out of control. Great stuff. Although it is out of print, I would appreciate some recommendations or
suggestions. thanks

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Bill Duncan » December 8th, 2002, 10:15 pm

The rubber band trick

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Michel Huot » December 9th, 2002, 6:04 am

I'm with bill

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Michel Huot » December 9th, 2002, 6:28 am

I'm with bill, go with the rubber band trick,

there is also the coins routines with one of the genesis of 3 fly...incredible

also, look for the card trick (cant remember the name) where all the hearts are in order, it's even a magician fooler

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby mike cookman » January 5th, 2003, 12:15 pm

His card trick Twister is pretty good. I also like his Only One Shuttle Pass Coins Across.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Guest » January 9th, 2003, 9:40 pm

DUDE,

One word, Sybil.

The Buck twins were still puking Pablum when this came out.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Chris Bailey » January 13th, 2003, 2:19 pm

Wasn't it Chris Kenner that coined the name "3-Fly" for his routine? I believe it's called Menage A Trois in Totally Out of Control but I think I read that it was published as "3-Fly" in Magicman Examiner. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Chris Bailey » January 13th, 2003, 2:20 pm

Oh...and I really like Hellbound Spellbound. His 3-coin vanish and reproduction is nicely structured as well. Long Gone Silver I believe it's called.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Pete McCabe » January 13th, 2003, 4:53 pm

Chris Bailey:

I believe the write up on OOC/TOOC calls the threefly trick "Menage Et Trois" which is not quite the same thing as Menage A Trois. In French "et" means "and", which in this context doesn't entirely make sense to me, so I'm assuming this is just one of those little clues which if you put them all together will lead you to the real work for Chris's legendary unpublished final vanish for this routine.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Frank Starsinic » January 21st, 2003, 2:16 pm

If anyone tried learning the rubberband-linking routine from Webbers Lifesavers book and gave up, here is the version for you. It's basically the same but the pictures (instead of photos) and the description are far more clear in this book.

Very nice!

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Guest » January 21st, 2003, 6:50 pm

"One word, Sybil.

The Buck twins were still puking Pablum when this came out. "

Didn't Troy Hooser come up with something very similar called "the Illogical Cut"?

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Guest » January 21st, 2003, 9:21 pm

No, if I remember correctly Troy taught a variation of the "Illogical Shuffle" (which is really a cut), created by Gianni Mattiola (apologies if I misspelt his name), which is also taught on one of Sankey's Sankeytized videos.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 21st, 2003, 9:43 pm

The forerunner of all the cuts done by the Flourish Guys is Bill Kalush's Kalush's Cut which appeared in Apocalypse. From this, I believe, Troy Hooser came up with a much more complex cut which was the inspiration for Kenner's "Sybil." Due to a mishap, my fault as much as Kenner's, Hooser's name went missing from the text in "Out of Control."
But, that gives you a rundown of the chronology.
AND, no one has mentioned Kenner's rope trick in the book: KILLER!
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Re: Totally out of control

Postby David Acer » January 22nd, 2003, 9:10 pm

Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
The forerunner of all the cuts done by the Flourish Guys is Bill Kalush's Kalush's Cut which appeared in Apocalypse.
I don't know if Kalush's Cut was published in Apocalypse, but I do know it ran in Paul Harris' column in The Magic Manuscript. Now THERE'S a magazine that's been having trouble coming out on time lately.
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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Randy DiMarco » January 23rd, 2003, 9:57 am

Troy Hooser's Illogical Cut was published in The Minotaur magazine. I am almost positive that he credits Gianni Mattiola in the write up.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Guest » January 25th, 2003, 10:17 am

Originally posted by Chris Bailey:
Wasn't it Chris Kenner that coined the name "3-Fly" for his routine? I believe it's called Menage A Trois in Totally Out of Control but I think I read that it was published as "3-Fly" in Magicman Examiner. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes you are correct sir! It was published in MME as ThreeFly.
I've always wondered why it was called 'Menage et Trois' in the book. What does it mean? Could there be a clue? Well literally it translates
"Menage"=household, "et"=and, "Trois"=3
So it is called 'Household and Three'. I have heard stories of the "Mythical Kenner Routine". Did Chris have any roomates when he came up with it? Who were they? Perhaps they could shed more light. Could he be employing other people to effect the final vanish? Or perhaps it could be a diabolically clever system of interconnected rooms. The rigging is what puzzles me. :)

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Matthew Field » January 25th, 2003, 1:24 pm

Originally posted by David Acer:
I don't know if Kalush's Cut was published in Apocalypse, but I do know it ran in Paul Harris' column in The Magic Manuscript. Now THERE'S a magazine that's been having trouble coming out on time lately.
Bill Kalush told me it was in Magic Manuscript (he couldn't remember which issue), and that's what I reported in my Genii review of the Buck Twins' first video, in my somewhat feeble attempt to trace the modern history of fancy cuts.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Robert Kane » January 25th, 2003, 4:00 pm

Had the chance to meet Chris Kenner very briefly at the recent WMS.

I loved how he responded to one individual who directly asked Mr. Kenner to describe his keys to success in magic in 3 words. Mr. Kenner immediately responded, "Originality and no bulls*#%."

Mr. Kenner sauntered off at that point to other areas of interest. I don't think that the fellow who asked expected such a direct, no non-sense reply. He just sort of stood there.

At the time I chuckled inside, but now find that I have continued to ponder Kenner's short but excellent response.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 25th, 2003, 6:56 pm

It was in Magic Manuscript and not Apocalypse? Damn. Just more evidence of middle-age mental deterioration.
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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Joe M. Turner » January 25th, 2003, 8:41 pm

I learned that cut from Magic Manuscript... deck looks like it's turning inside-out, then it's back to normal. It's much simpler and a more subtle flourish (is there such a thing?) than the twenty-packet multicuts that the Bucks and Cap Casino and others are doing.

I should get out those MMs and reread them. When I'm not reading Genii, of course.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Bill Duncan » January 25th, 2003, 10:09 pm

Joe's right. It's a very odd looking cut and much more subtle than it's decendants.

Bill Kalush's Cut appears in Paul Harris' Close-Up Forum. Page 20 Vol. 4, Issue 4 of Louis Tannen's Magic Manuscript.

If anyone's interested I made a short (76k) WMV video file of the cut.

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Re: Totally out of control

Postby Joe M. Turner » February 3rd, 2003, 12:04 pm

One important thing about the Kalush cut is that it can be used as a control. It has a magical application in addition to being a visual flourish.

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