Dice Cup/Walnut Shell

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Postby George Olson » 11/13/04 10:16 AM

A magician friend asked me about a trick that utilizes a dice cup, walnut shell, and dollar bill. (the bill ends up in the shell. He thinks the dice cup is "chopped."

I recognize the thesis, but am drawing a blank on the name and manufactuer.

Any help?

Any for sale?

GO :help:
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Postby Frank Starsinic » 11/13/04 11:07 AM

I have not heard of this.
Sounds interesting tho.

I'll be checking back.
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Postby Pete Biro » 11/13/04 12:32 PM

It is a killer trick, but I forget the details. The walnuts are silent and load under a glass that is bottomless. I think James Riser makes some of the parts.

It was underground for a long time, and I think Dai Vernon had much to do with it.
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Postby Frank Starsinic » 11/13/04 04:26 PM

Pete, I believe you're talking about
peripeteptic (sp) walnuts.

I don't think that's what he's talking about but I could be wrong.

That's the effect that Brian O'neill just re-did.
It's available and called Completely Nuts.
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Postby George Olson » 11/13/04 08:57 PM

More on the Trick.

It was in a white box marked $25.00, "The Borrowed Bill in the Walnut," either "Royal Magic"
or CT ?? It had a leather dice cup, a shot glass, the gimmicked walnut that's it; so far!

They saw it at Mel Babcock's house yesterday. Mel didn't want to sell it.

I think I'll contact Mel.

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Postby BrendanK » 11/13/04 10:51 PM

"Totally Nuts"? - see advert on:-


Is the glass truly a shotglass? Bottomless glass needs to be large enough to hold the 3 walnuts.
You would need a cover for the glass to allow the hidden travel of the walnut - perhaps the leather cup is the correct size?

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Postby Frank Yuen » 11/14/04 07:56 AM


That would be C&M productions who created the effect that you're looking for. We carried this item when I worked at a magic shop in the early 90's. I wasn't able to find any reference to them other than this link but good luck.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view ... &forum=115

I also found this reference to the Roval Borrowed Bill in Walnut. This box actually looks like what I remember from the shop I worked in but I remember the "C&M Productions" as well because we also carried their Ring Flight.


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Postby Guest » 11/14/04 09:53 AM

C&M Productions is based in Tacoma, Washington and is alive and well. Here is the website:


Nice people, great products. Unfortunately, I did not see the trick you're looking for in their current catalog. However, email Scott Markham and I'm sure he'll give you all the help he can. --Asrah

Postby George Olson » 11/14/04 10:12 AM


What a great group!

Thank you!

I'll pass this information off to them today!

Again, thanks a lot!


Now, if I could only locate the meaning of life?? :rolleyes:
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Postby Jon Elion » 11/14/04 12:23 PM

Everyone knows that the meaning life, the universe and everything is "42"!
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Postby Guest » 11/15/04 09:52 PM

Nonsense, Jon, my good friend! We seem to be in a "Catch 22" here, as the meaning of the universe is not "42", but "69"! Everything goes round and round, ending back where it started eventually.


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Postby Guest » 02/27/06 07:18 PM

The routine I found in the late 80's early 90's involved a borrowed bill, the serial number is written down by the lender. Bill is crumpled into a ball and a chop routine follows with a dice cup and the borrowed bill. Bill makes final appearance under cup, is unfolded and shown to be a jumbo bill with a walnut wrapped inside. Nut is broken open by spectator, they verify serial number.
Is that the same routine?

Postby Guest » 02/27/06 07:20 PM

I believe the routine was called borrowed bill in walnut shell.
It did come in a white box, came with a chop dice cup, jumbo bill and hot bill, plus very full instructions.

Postby Guest » 08/09/06 06:52 AM

I just bought one last weekendat the Abbott's It's Roval's BORROWED BILL IN WALNUT.
It came with: gimmicked leather dice cup, set of dice, shot glass, 2 oversized bills, one very realistic gimmicked regular sized bill.

Effect: A bill is borrowed and the serial number is writted on magicians card. The bill is rolled into a ball and used in chop cup routine. The bill ultimately vanishes, only to be found in a walnut rolled within a jumbo bill produced as the final load. The serial number is verified as the borrowed bill.

Postby Guest » 08/09/06 11:30 AM

Yes, that's the one. I sold one last year. No longer made.
I believe, anyway.

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