Dear Richard, I think that there is not point on disagree, actually I have the impression that we are talking about different things all together; in fact it looks to me like if we are trying to apply the same name (the fourth wall) to two different thinks when probably they should have 2 different names.
What you are defining is when you perform and the audience is just watching and they do not feel watched back. That is not what I understood for forth wall, but it does not matter, as long you know what it means to you,
It is just a problem of terminology, that happens very often when we are dealing with abstract things that are difficult to define as they can not be seen or touched (inspiration, energy, communication, presence, talent, etc… ;).
It happens not only between magicians talking about theatre, also between actors talking about theatre, and dancers talking about dance.
In fact, as magicians we are very lucky to have hade a dedicated genius that loves magic, like Arturo de Ascanio (and he will always stay with as). His work will be translated to English very soon. One of the most important parts of his work is dedicated to standardising the terminology so things are more real and we all know what are we talking about, I think that may very good friend, and expert about Arturo de Ascanio work, Rafael Benatar will know how to explain this better than me.
Being honest, I personally think that the forth wall it is not a very important thing for magicians anyway. There are other skills that we can take from performing forms like:
Quality of movement
Projection of movements
Project from different parts of the body
Different improvisation methods
How to work with music
Silence (I love silence)
Different scenic spaces!!
Different ways of thinking!!
Different ways of create!!
Different ways of construct an act!!
Different ways of star and finish an act!!
More, more, I wont to learn more, because that gives me freedom of expression… GOD DAMN I LOVE MY JOB!!.. Oh, sorry I think I got too excited! :o
Rafael Benatar: Mayte(My wife, she is a performance artist) completely agree wit your definition of the forth wall, and she say hello to you.
[ August 08, 2001: Message edited by: Alfonso Rios ]