The only way this could be enforced is if, when you bought the item in question, you had a contract which both parties agreed to in which it was stated that TV rights were reserved. Otherwise, it is simply a request from the seller, that may be honored or not, by the buyer, based on his own good conscience and sense of ethics.Originally posted by Jacky Kahan:
now another question, how about sleights or techniques? can you avoid or forbid using it? I've seen some products that were sold and was mentioned that tv rights were reserved...
Seriously, one option is to not show it to other magicians, and I know guys who never perform their best stuff for the guys, only laymen. However, that has big drawbacks, including the fact that you create no buzz in the magic community that agents can hear, and that if you send a video to an agent, they may share it with other magi.Originally posted by Jacky Kahan:
I was wondering if you have some comments regarding how to protect a visual act... ?
I know about music, but how about an act?
What do you do to avoid people copying an act? Is this possible or just a dream?
That's exactly the problem ! We have some acts that are really original (we think, and are still researching to be sure)The problem is that we would like to avoid artists copying an idea with or without permission...David Groves :
Seriously, one option is to not show it to other magicians, and I know guys who never perform their best stuff for the guys, only laymen. However, that has big drawbacks, including the fact that you create no buzz in the magic community that agents can hear, and that if you send a video to an agent, they may share it with other magi.
How's this work as a strategy;Originally posted by Steve O'Donnell:
... Images and artwork can be protected by copyright, patents, or trademarks. I can't tell exactly what you're asking from your post. Contact me via email if you need specific advice.
David Roth once commented that if one magician sees something they like in another magician's act, they will take it. And about the only way to keep material exclusive is to make it exclusive by difficulty. That seems to work for sleight of hand and difficult to manufacture prop based material.Originally posted by Jacky Kahan:
... what about the magic itself? How about moves / sleights? IF an artist created a "new" move, can he avoid someone else to use it?
Originally posted by Brian Marks:
To protect a move, publish it.
To protect an act, don't do it for magicians.
I don't know about you, but I realy think it is not normal that we can not protect an act, idea or move in a simple way. (= cheap)First of all, you have to ask yourself, to what lengths are you willing to go and how much money are you willing to spend to protect your creation
Well, if we have a catalog it's a start. a good start.We have to start somewhere. Once this catalog exists we can use it as a base to work something out.But ok, let's dream on and suppose you have the cooperation from magicians all over the world, a lot of money, and the assitance of great legal minds, what then?
Originally posted by Jacky Kahan:
We could work like in the music business : different members: Creators, story tellers, inventors etc...
We could have different levels of "copyright".
I respect magicians that don't want to share...
no problem, their creation would be catalogued as "none performable".(= ex. very very expensive)
Other magicians would like others to use their creation so it would be "performable"
Everytime some one uses it on tv/gig... he gets copyrights for the creation/invention.. etc...
well again, just ideas.. i know it's not perfect.. but as said before we have to start somewhere...
thanks for sharing ideas!!!
I'm not sure what you mean by cheap. ASCAP and BMI are not cheap, but their fixed costs are amortized across thousands of publishers and musicians, millions of performances, and billions of dollars of sales in a year.Originally posted by Jacky Kahan:
I don't know about you, but I realy think it is not normal that we can not protect an act, idea or move in a simple way. (= cheap)
In the music business, even if you are an amateur you can protect your music, arrangement or lyrics.
because there are organisations protecting their industry.
The IEEE-USA Intellectual Property Committee (of which I am chair) has been very active in this exact area -- because, there have been many devices simply "knocked off" by being quickly copied especially in technology areas where the life cycle of some products is shorter than the time to get a patent to issue.Originally posted by Steve O'Donnell:
I'd like there to be some form of intellectual property protection for magic, but I can't see how it would work from a legal standpoint.