Just checked them out on a cable modem.Originally posted by Pete Biro:
When I get off this 2400 b aud modem, will check 'em out... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz :sleep: :sleep:
Adrian,Originally posted by Adrian Kuiper:
OK...then maybe I'm not understanding what is meant by a Faro shuffle. In the hands, it is splitting the deck precisely in half, then the bottom of one half is pressed against the top of the other and by some "magic wiggle thing", the cards interlace exactly. I had assumed that a tabled faro would be the same thing: cut exactly, butt the ends while the deck is flat on the table, do the "wiggle thing" and voila .....they're interlaced. In the video, the action of the thumbs are more in tune to a riffle shuffle and not what I expected of a tabled faro shuffle.
(And yes I know how dastardly things could be when you "assume".)
Ian, I'm doing a Faro. You're making the call by just watching the clip. And BTW,Originally posted by Ian Kendall:
On page 65 of ECT a perfect riffle shuffle is described. This is what Steven is doing in his clip. On page 143 the perfect Faro is described, which involves holding the talons at the outer ends and 'weaving' the cards together.
Steve's tabled faro shuffle might look a bit out of place in a game of faro... but beyond that, it looks just like a tabled riffle shuffle, which is just what's needed to do some of the more advanced shuffle routines.Originally posted by Ian Kendall:
...Perhaps I should explain why I need more convincing...
Hey Chris-- thanks for the great review. But it goes a bit further back than Paul Chosse and I thought it important to let you know--Originally posted by Chris Aguilar:
I'm having fairly good luck with Steven's teaching of the Chosse technique.
Okay, I hope this doesn't start things up again, but Miller's technique is in fact one of the two methods cited in Expert Card Technique. I believe the confusion by Ian came about because Hugard titles the technique, "The Perfect Riffle Shuffle" but then details two methods for doing a table faro. If you are not reading closely it is easy to miss that he is not teaching a perfect riffle shuffle. Here is the relevant passage from the text:Originally posted by Steven Youell
The original technique came from Charlie Miller.
Actually, he's not really commenting on the video because when he posted that he hadn't yet seen the video. I talked with Paul since then and basically he told me that the terms ARE used interchangably, but that the Perfect Riffle Shuffle is, essentially a sub-set of the perfect faro.Originally posted by Bob Gerdes:
It looks like other forums are also having the semantics debate as well. Check this out:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view ... forum=2&24
In that thread is a post by Paul Chosse that addresses all this confusion, and also comments on Steven Youell's video.
SO the name "Fariffle Shuffle" is more accurate. I'll start changing the titles in the clips tonight!Originally posted by pchosse:
The technique I taught Steve, and that you are seeing on his video, IS a perfect riffle shuffle. He achieves faro-like results, and does it on the table, hence the "tabled faro" nomenclature. Adding to the confusion is the fact that, although it is a riffle shuffle, there are faro-like pressures brought to bear to effect the shuffle and insure predictable results.
and, from The Magic Cafe, also by Paul Chosse,Originally posted by pchosse:
Re: Perfect Riffle pedigree:
The technique I taught Steve, and that you are seeing on his video, IS a perfect riffle shuffle.