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Postby Guest » 03/08/07 08:18 PM

Who are "they"? Are "they" the ones who should behave accodingly? Read the proper books and stop ruining it for the rest of "us"? If so..."I" am on "your" side. If "they" don't get something out of "Our Magic" they should get out of "our magic".
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Postby Guest » 03/08/07 08:35 PM

I don't think that's Final Cut Pro, based on the title sequences.

He's better than your average duffer at the IBM/SAM meeting, so why the dog pile? There are plenty of YouTube magic clips much, much worse than these.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 03/09/07 02:03 AM

In art, a mannerist period is defined as a time frame in which the means of expression become so pervasive nothing ends up being expressed. Today's younger generation has found themselves in/created for themselves a mannerist period. The unfortunate thing, in my mind, is that the focus and developments of the means of expression are completely non-magic in nature, specifically videographic.

While there is the occasional exception (Homer Liwag's Coin One comes to mind) for the most part, the content suffers as a result of misplaced priorities.
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 08:13 AM

Hey Brad is this an excerpt from your upcoming book "My Magic"?

Can I get a galley for review?
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 08:55 AM

But, even before the advent of YouTube and iMovie, young magicians have done this for ages, Brad, don't you think? All magicians have this phase--hopefully, moving beyond it. Now, with YouTube (et al) they get wider exposure.

But nonetheless, when a "kid" (in magic, regardless of chronological age) show promise, he ought to be welcomed and guided, not made fun of in a public forum.

Instead of viewing this as an affront, it's an opportunity for "us" to discover "them" and help "them" become better members of "our community."

Or, "we" could just scoff and poke fun at "him" behind "his" back.
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 09:00 AM

You know I have been to enough club meetings over the years to see plenty of aged hacks who never perform anytime but too their fellow cronies & who after 50 years still can't manage statements of more than "pick a card" or "not that hand but the clean one" who would be proud to boast the abilities this kid has. We are so quick to trounce one's youthful exuberance & quash the work that they have put in, rather than provide some challenging criticism & positive reinforcement for continued growth.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/09/07 09:26 AM

The problem here is one of burgeoning visibility on the Internet. All kids go through periods of doing stuff no one should ever see except their unfortunate parents, myself included.

What's different now is that places like YouTube provide a location where everyone can strut their underdeveloped stuff for all the world to see.

All I can say is, YUCK.

People under a certain age just aren't giving any consideration to what they're making public. Look at that tootsie from New Jersey on American Idol who's now pictured all over the Internet sitting on the toilet and in various other candid poses--what the hell was she thinking when she let someone take those photos in an age where ANY photo or video can end up on the Internet and everyone in the world can have the joy of seeing you half naked, toilet paper in hand, having a tiddle?
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 09:48 AM

Old Man Murphy writes:

"Dang kids, comin' round, messin' up my yard...they should know better. In my day we didn't have no innernet to mess with magic. We only had a few people to mess with. We had magic shops to visit. Counter help to annoy. Family members to assault with our skills. Now these kids are forcin' their crap on the whole wide world web. We have no way to protect ourselves or our magic. Back in the day...We had books. Oh sure many of them were crap...BUT we had to publish our embarissin' crap for others to purchase. Now these kids make it all free. FREE! HUH! Free crap! Go figur! And PRIDE...we had pride...nun of this street magic crap...we had DOVES and THEMES...costumes and art. Remember when magic was considered ART? Ah those were the days...magic shops and themes and art...Oh jeez, I gotta pee and I can't get up from this chair...damned kids!"

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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 09:48 AM

Richard I can agree with the whole burgeoning visibility perspective, trust me I hate the public voyuerism on you tube & the all too candid & often false personalities exposed on myspace (my kids are banned from it), but there is a whole new generation of people entering into this field that are aggessively pursuing their interests & I would sure rather see them performing in public with the best of intentions then to have them practice in their room & perform only for their magic buddy.
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 09:49 AM

P.T. that was funny
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 10:03 AM

All kids go through periods of doing stuff no one should ever see except their unfortunate parents, myself included.
What WOULD we have done without our parents? Do you think they had any idea what they were doing by ENCOURAGING us? :)
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/09/07 10:42 AM

I disagree, Tom. I would rather they NOT be performing publically for millions of people around the planet to see when they are fit only to practice in front of a mirror.
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 10:55 AM

I was getting ready to argue the millions comment. But I see one of these clips has over 2 million views! HOLY CRAP!
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Postby Brad Henderson » 03/09/07 11:14 AM

It seems that there is more interest in focusing on the use of pronouns than on the content of the message...which echoes the point.

The point has nothing to do with youth per se, or 'us' versus 'them', though it just happens that the youth is the key element of this demographic.

The point has to do with the means of expression overshadowing that which is being expressed.

If there were a giant stride forward in magical technique, we would find many magicians whose magic consisted of little more than technique for techniques sake. They would be focusing on a means of expression without considering what may or may not be expressed. Likewise, if a magical concept became all pervasive (such as 'themes') we would find ourselves inundated with 'theme' acts, acts that focus more on the use of theme rather than considering if something meaningful or of quality is being produced. (Note this not unique to magic and has occurred in all the arts, however I can speak most competently on that which occurred throughout the history of music. The entire history of music can be seen as the development of and reaction to mannerist periods. This is not from the book "My Magic" as someone so snidely remarked, it is gleaned from texts such as Grout and Barzun.)

The problem with the mannerist period in which we find ourselves in magic today is that the techniques which have been developed are "extra-magical," meaning they have nothing to do with magical techinque/style/content per se. At least with most mannerist periods, after they pass, the artist still has recourse to the techniques developed to apply to their art in a conscientious manner. One could argue that magicians will still have the video techniques, but as we all know, making something look good on video does not make that thing good itself. (And we cannot ignore that the beginning on this mannerism may have roots in one or two clever performers realizing that video techniques could enhance their magical performances if carefully used. Sadly, even this version of videographic mannerism has become so omnipresent, so carelessly used, that we have magic shows that viewers click off because their is nothing else for them to care about, or because it simply looks "fake," to them.)

But even throughout the oscillation between mannerist and revolutionary periods in the arts, we see common principles of sound structure and aesthetic that define what music had staying power - even the music which changed the way we listened forever. It was the artists who had both vision and grounding that spoke to the people and advanced their scene. It seems to me, that the number of those in magic who have taken the time to find their grounding is fewer and fewer.

And with the means of production at everyone's fingertips, the models being set for emulation may result in a more ingrained, longer lasting mannerist period than when the number of models are fewer.(This last sentence is speculation, and something I am both concerned and curious to see play out.)

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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 11:49 AM

A while back I was inveigled into attending a lecture by the then current magician/flavor of the day. The lecture was attended by about 50 people. I saw no other professionals in the room except the fellow I was with and me. (He had been invited and as I was his transportation, I had to go along.)

The magic taught at the lecture was strictly for the amateur with virtually nothing for a working pro because it was all magic that one played with, not magic that was to be performed. This was made clear to me in a chat with a seatmate.

I learned in discussion with him (an adult male) that he did not perform magic for his family and friends, or anyone it turned out. He performed in front of a mirror, exclusively. I asked a few others around me and found the same situation. While a few might occasionally perform for family and friends, their most constant audience was themselves in a mirror.

I called it "Mirror Magic," and saw it as a harmless variant of the hobbyists approach to magic as a diversion, a way of putting ones day-to-day routine at arms length for awhile.

Unfortunately, there are now a number of people who have no idea that magic as a performance art form is about the interaction of an interesting personality with that of an audience. It is not about the demonstration of skills or tricks with easily-acquired covert juggling skills aquired in front of a mirror. Of course, for the amateur the goal is praise of his technqiue by his fellows, not the entertainment of his audience.

YouTube and its clones have given an outlet for the ignorant and self-absorbed who have no business stepping away from their mirrors. The number of viewings for some of these videos is sad news in that a great many people are being educated as to what magic is, not what it can be in the hands of a competent performer.
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 01:05 PM

If they spent half as much time reading "Our Magic" as they do reading their "Final Cut Pro" manuals, magic would be a better place.
The point has nothing to do with youth per se, or 'us' versus 'them', though it just happens that the youth is the key element of this demographic.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 03/09/07 02:08 PM

Yes, they...those people who have created/participate the mannerist period of magical videography. It is an indefinate pronoun used to describe a group of people - you know, the people we are talking about. (And as none of them are posting at present, it would be a 'they' or 'them' not 'us' or even 'you.') I am sorry I do not have the time nor knowledge to list them all by name. But I think anyone who has seen the crop of DVDs released to the magical marketplace, the bevvy of clips on youtube, and the teaser videos for magical effects know exactly what this thread is about, and if you can think of a better inclusive word to describe that group - I will happily defer.

In the meantime, please try not to let pedanticism disguised as egalitarianism get in the way of a point I think was fairly clearly made - the use of the pronoun, notwithstanding.
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 02:19 PM

Richard, I agree sorry I wasn't clear enough in my communication, I too would prefer if their performance was not made public through you tube or the net . I was refering to their desire to perform publicly at all, I think it was Eugene Buerger who stated "performance without an audience is nothing more than mental masterbation", feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/09/07 05:03 PM

I don't recall what Eugene wrote, but I would say that performance without an audience is called practice.
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 06:07 PM

Rehearsing an act is a necessity if one has the goal of being a successful entertainer. You rehearse the act completely, imagining an audience so that you can block out the act, learn where things should be placee, refine the placement of props and gimmicks so they are in the most efficient places possible. You shouldn't have to fumble around for anything. You should just reach and you should find it. This takes time and many complete rehearsals to achieve.

This also helps with the timing of the act. In the past I've seen amateur performers who had practiced segments of their acts have no idea of the total length of their acts when asked.
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 06:23 PM

Pedantic? What does that mean? ;)
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 06:24 PM

Oh I just looked it up in my OED...it said see Brad Henderson's posts!
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Postby Guest » 03/09/07 08:07 PM

Hey guys, its me..Chris Brown. Thanks for the critiquing. And no i don't use any camera editing. And yes i DO perform...but this was just the attention grabber. People on youtube aren't appealed to performers, they are appealed more to the tricks. Which is why I'll be PERFORMING in my dvd. Anyhow thanks for the feedback, i appreciate it, and i'd like to have more.

Thanks again.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/09/07 08:42 PM

I should add that I have not watch the clip in question on YouTube, merely commenting on the general phenomenon.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 03/10/07 12:52 AM

P.T.,

Your spot at the children's table is reserved here:

www.themagiccafe.com

On this forum, we are trying to discuss an issue relating to magic and its growth. Come back when you are ready to contribute.

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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 01:16 AM

Who appointed you the arbiter?
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Postby Brad Henderson » 03/10/07 01:25 AM

If PT wants to engage in name calling rather than discussion, then the children's table is where he belongs.

There is an issue under discussion. If he wants to derail it, so be it. But it will not go without commentary.
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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 04:39 AM

You are absolutely right Brad. (I hope this humble act of admission can be a lesson for all. Consider it my gift to you.) We should discuss this over lunch. In person. I hope you are as engaging over a Cobb Salad as you are online...

Now it is up to you to take the high round and start treating people with respect. You can start by answering Chris Brown...he is the "they" of whom you speak. Ignore me as I am just tyring to get in your hair...er...um...well you know what I mean.

BTW- WHAT is wrong with the children's table? BH you need a child in your life to remind you of the beauty and wonder that surrounds us. I offer to pay for the Cobb Salad...the hugs will be FREE! We can sit at the children's table. You can make balloon animals for the kiddies and I. Maybe we can teach you about humility.

(The Children Chorus... "YEAH! Balloons! AND Humility! YEAH!")

In the meantime...You have been given the opportunity to RE-rail the discussion...which you seem to have declined...rise to it man! Now is your chance...

We are all waiting to hear what you have to say that will advance magic...and help Chris to become one of "us".
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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 06:24 AM

Smooth.
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Postby John LeBlanc » 03/10/07 08:35 AM

Chris Brown wrote:
Anyhow thanks for the feedback, i appreciate it, and i'd like to have more.
I think that demonstrates good character. And I think he was being honest.

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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 11:54 AM

Yeah I don't let any "hate" get to me. I have learned to just turn it off and it doesn't effect me. But I'm open to Constructive criticism anytime thats the best way to improve. I practice in front of the mirror for hours trying to see if i flash or where i need work, i also film myself to see it from the spectators view.

Let me tell you a little bit about myself. In the past 2 years I've been carefully shaped and molded by the top magicians in the bay area. I got to learn with, John Bodine, Will Chandler, Johnathan Steigman, Josh Logan, Theron, Ricky Smith, Curtis Kam, Lee Asher, Brian, Kim Silverman, Steve Silverman, Scott Emo. I've talked to James Randi and Daniel Garcia. I've also talked to Cyril. One of the magicians i meet with every Friday started magic with Cyril when they were kids growing up in L.A.

So basically I've learned SO much in just 2 years. I've had a little bit of everything. I'm always learning everday. Practicing everyday. Performing everyday. And working on my DVD to perfection. It will have a houdini/urban modern vibe. James Randi and John Bodine will be consulting for this dvd to make sure i only film the best effects. I also plan to do a lot of my own effects that I've been working on in the past 2 years. So I'll have some help by some very experienced magicians along the way. Every Friday night i meet up with around 10 magicians. They have taught me pretty much everything I know. I've been to a few lectures and I always have DVDs provided for me to watch.

Dvd's on the side steal, double lift, the pass, Daniel Garcia project, Greg Wilson, Mcbride, card palming etc. etc. Magic has become my life. But i don't do it for applaud. I think thats too meaningless. I do it for those people who NEED to be happy. For the people who are stressed with life, work, friends, family..and I've already had countless messages saying that I've changed somebody's life because of the way i look at magic. Its truly inspiring to see how far my reach has gone and how influential my little youtube clips have gotten.

To read my bio to get to know me a bit better check it out on my myspace page...

www.myspace.com/orbitbrown

Thanks for the topic dedication by the way. I appreciate it. :)
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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 12:23 PM

I don't really think that Brad was posting any hate.
I think he was voicing a pretty common concern about the state of magic.
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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 01:47 PM

I agree Elliott....I don't believe that Brad was slinging hate either....I would like to join him and Murphy for lunch, however, as I really would like to see Brad do a fifteen-minute balloon-poodle routine....tsk tsk..

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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 02:23 PM

I think that Brad meant "pendantic" in the sense of being too concerned with fine details and too ready with criticism. I think P.T. meant "pendantic" in the sense of a vain display of book learning.
And me, I think they're both right. Which means I better duck!

So, Chris, based on the names you dropped I'm guessing you live in the Silicon Valley. There's not a magic shop there, but Joe Pon (sp?) at Misdirections (in San Francisco) can help steer you to the next level. So can some of the folks you mentioned, of course, but if you're not already talking to Joe he's well worth getting to know. Good luck with your studies.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 03/10/07 02:53 PM

There is no hate in my posts. Only observations about a trend in magic and concern about where it will lead.

There is a growing trend where the focus is on video editing and look/feel/vibe over quality/content. Evidence? How about any DVD release where the trick looks great from the one angle the webcam is held, but one cannot effectively get into or out of the trick. Nevertheless, because the video "looks good" people praise the trick - when (as David Alexander pointed out) it is for any intent and practical purposes useless in the real world.

When I was getting my degree in music, my teacher said, "The most important thing is the sound. Even if you miss notes, they can still say, "you sounded good." Well, in music thats a good thing. In the world of magic on video, it seems that it is more important that something "look good" than "be good." And I'm not even talking about the tricks and how they play. Poorly executed magic, when wrapped in a pretty package, still gets "your video looks good" from a percentage of the magic world. (Largely statements made on the cafe and youtube). Sadly, the veneer hides the quality of the substance. There are more important considerations in the world of magic than "your video looks good." If you are selling magic, we need to know that the tricks ARE good, that they are practical, and that the teacher can get through them from start to finish, this is not always the case.

So, there's the problem.

But to Chris's tape, he has collected a series of strong visual moments (not tricks, but moments) many of which read well on the screen. His handling of the color changes and double lift work is ok, but nothing extraordinary or even what I would consider having hit the bar to shoot for.

However, if this is meant to tease something else, I would need to know more.

Is it meant to generate work in the real world? In that case, it fails. Buyers don't hire hands, they hire people. Magic is a vehicle for a relationship between people. At no point in this video can I tell anything about the type of person Chris is, how he would act around my guests or my friends, and how he would manage any social dynamic involving the introduction of magic as entertainment. Couple that with the fact that the style and music choices would alienate a large portion of the public with the means to afford quality magic, and you have a video that I think would limit a performer's acceptance in the commercial (meaning, performance) marketplace. Finally, I see no real connection between the aesthetic elements of the video (music, feel, etc.) and the magic itself. This would lead me to believe that this person has not considered the larger picture of his or her magic. As Max Maven has said, "Everything Matters." Just because one uses urban music doesn't make their act cutting edge. I once saw a performer whose intro bragged that he was changing the face of magic. Well, doing a dove act while wearing leather is not changing the face of anything. I see standard card tricks, MTV style editing, and hear music with an edge. What am I to think about this person's magic? That it is edgey? Well, its not. It's card tricks. Should I think that he is hip? I don't know. All I see are hands. So, the package seems more of a pastiche than a presentation.

If his goal is to tease a video of instructional material, I would still say this fails. If we think of magic as the adventure of the props in the performers hands and we are merely looking for new ways to combine Hamman moves and double lifts, then this video conveys that. However, magic is more about a sequence of moves. It is about producing moments in which people are engaged and hopefully transformed - or at the very least amused. That takes relationship. It takes interaction. That is what I need to be a magician. That is what the best instructional materials provide - a better insight into the art of performing magic - while also teaching new, novel, and engaging material.

We get none of that from this teaser.

We see some well known card changes, a couple of variant changes, and a series of "routines" that are close enough to the originals to be instantly recognizable. Based solely on the DVD, I would be lead to suspect this represented the body of work to be contained. As Michael Close wrote, there are too many products offering not improvement, nor even variation, but personalizations. Consequentially, I would not feel any compelling desire to purchase the DVD it teases.

Now, as to offering something to help Chris move forward, I would suggest, "Slow Down." There is no good reason in the world for anyone to release a magic DVD, especially at the beginning of their career. If your goal is mercenary, then there is nothing I have to say. That is an attitude which I am not interested in. But, many young people think that there is fame to be found in the release of a magic DVD. Sadly, this has become somewhat true.

Years ago, people built a career PERFORMING for a living, developing a reputation for having original, novel material. Then, at some point, they released it and we all benefited from their years of experience.

Today, people create ideas with the sole purpose of selling them. They "Beta test" them, then ship them out. Of course, once they reach the marketplace, people start asking questions, finding problems, and seeing better methods and presentations. So, they create a web forum so others can share their work - work the "creator" should have done long before considering release.

Sadly, these people are still seen in our field as creative performers? Why? Well, because most people have not taken the time to learn the history of their art and the ideas on which it is founded. Most people don't take the time to really learn the tricks they buy. A visit to the Magic Cafe will reveal that - recently a self-proclaimed "rope magic expert" confessed he had no idea who Sands was and knew nothing of his routine. Other posts revealed that he had no idea where certain ideas had come from - attributing them to the most recent person to put them on DVD, rather than their creator. When this was pointed out, those posts were removed. I guess it is more important to be "nice" than protect the historical record. Nevertheless, this person speaks with authority and others look to him for advice.

Further, many people look at whatever incarnation of any routine and assume that the latest is the greatest without ever checking for themselves. They look at a 21 year old's watered down handling of one of Barrie Richardson's brilliant, mind thumping, card routines and they herald it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. It does not matter that all of the psychology, the drama, and structure has been stripped away leaving only a course move that occurs under the cover of grotesque hand waving and at the wrong moment.

Nevertheless, people praise this bastard routine, calling it by it's "creator's" name, and yet have no idea that there is something out there which is so much better.

So, the person with the hot little video becomes idolized and the person who created a stunning routine which he has honed over thousands of performances gets forgotten. Maybe if he put out a video?!?

People don;t take the time to find out, follow credits, or learn what is already out - instead they choose to fantasize about what is due. As Michael CLose observed - you see them posting every day with baited breath, waiting for the latest book to come out. FInally, when it ships, you see the same people posting with baited breath waiting for the next book. No discussion of the tricks. Not commentary. Just something to put on their shelf.

The point is, just because someone becomes famous in our little world means nothing about them as a person or as a magician. Many assume that these "magic stars" perform their material in the real world, but independent verification reveals they do not. They created it for the sake of creating it. Why? To be famous? To make a buck? Because they want to give back to magic?

I suspect the former. However, if Chris really believes he wants to create an instructional video to give something back to magic, then he should wait. He should perform this material not for 2 years, but for 20. He should offer full routines, show us how he handles his audience, how he engages them, and transforms them. Sure, he may not appeal to the YouTube crowd, but the YouTube crowd isn't the group out there PERFORMING for real people - where magic is meant to be done.

In that 20 years, he should heed Michael Weber's advice: Before you write one book, you must read 100. I personally think the number of books should be raised to at LEAST 250 before you put out a DVD, AND you should have clicked in a couple thousand performances of each of your close up tricks. My close up reperatoire has been essentially the same for over 17 years. Nevertheless, I still find moments that can be improved, aspects of each routine to tweak. Had I released my ideas 17 years ago, I would have just added to the pile of average stuff for sale. That is not the way to "give back" to magic.

Until someone has put in that type of time, all the advice from experts - some with performing experience, some only with manufactured magic world fame - really gets YOU as the performer nowhere. What matters is what you have learned in the real world, from succeeding and from failing.

That takes more than a video camera and more than 2 years.
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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 03:30 PM

Great Feedback, its up there in the top 5 replys i have ever received. I agree and see differently in other parts of your response though. I'm only 21, yes. I've only been doing this for 2 years. yes. But the thing here is this...

This dvd is not ME with a camera man. Think of me as a beat up old car...that could never race against the other experienced cars. The Magicians that are consulting with me are souping me up. Replacing the engine...the tires....the exhaust. So though i may look like nothing now, nobody will be expecting the speed i will generate. Through this metaphor i mean this... It won't be just ME doing this dvd, I have magicians that will make SURE that this dvd won't flop. Plus, its just a performance dvd. Just performing.

The Hands thing is true. Nobody wants to see hands. I've studied the psychology pretty deeply, which is why I'm making ANOTHER video to be put on the front page of youtube. Its a message. About Iraqi people and US troops...it will involve magic, and no spoken words from me. It will be about 30 seconds. And it will be very impacting. I had this talk with John Bodine about this very thing. This is how it went...

John: Who's the most famous magician in the world right now?
Chris: uhh...David Copperfield.
John: RIGHT! And whos your favorite magician...
Chris: David Blaine, he started me.
John: Ok, why do you like David Blaine more than Copperfield?
Chris: Cause i can relate to his story and we share the same type of style almost.
John: How much do you know about copperfield?
Chris: .....Nothing really.
John: ok, How much do you know about Blaine?
Chris: Well i read his book twice so i know quite a bit about him...
John: And thats how you make an impact

Basically, John told me that if i NEVER tell anything about myself the people wont care about me really... But if i go the opposite route like Blaine, you gain a much stronger support. How well you know somebody > Popularity. THATS what i'll be doing. Those are just card tricks. Thats not magic. Thats sleight of hand. But when you make somebody confused about what they just saw, and you make them smile and wonder about the bigger picture. THATS magic. I do that when i do bar magic or party magic. I never do the same thing twice. I always leave them wanting more, then i leave. I've studied this in depth. I will continue to learn and study deeper as this DVD progresses.

John is taking a huge part in teaching me. He pretty much knows EVERYTHING when it comes to magic. Its amazing. He has the biggest library in the bay area. He has a whole room for books, dvds, cards, supplies...all that. Paul Harris is to David blaine as John Bodine is to me. Do you think Blaine did all that on his own? He had a lot of help.

So what i'm trying to say is...no matter how young somebody is, or how short they've been in magic. If they're doing it for the right reasons, it doesn't matter. I WANT to learn more. I WANT to get taught more. I WANT to become more knowledgeable in the field of magic. But i cant learn everything overnight. And trust me, i know exactly what i'm doing. I have a plan for youtube and the people.

oh and another thing, i dont think ANYBODY should ever disregard the power of youtube. You can easily say "He's a youtube magician" When in actuality... (i'm not being arrogant here, I'm far from it) My card magic video that now has over 2 million views... My audience is larger than a lot of magicians who do shows COMBINED. See what I'm saying? Do you see the reach this has? So when you say I'm not ready for this dvd, i AM. Because I wont be doing it alone. I hope you see where I'm coming from. And EVERYTHING I'll be doing, I've been practicing everywhere i go, I've been getting critiques at the Friday night workshops.

Now watch this "weak car" go from 0-60 in 3 seconds. I owe everything to the magicians who surround me. EVERYTHING. Without them, I'm nothing.

Another thing is this...I see some magicians who have been doing magic for 30 years, but they do the same exact routines as every other magician does. They provide nothing new, they just follow. I'm more into CREATING new things....thats why a huge portion of this DVD are idea's that came from my head. That doesn't mean that they've NEVER been invented...because thats near impossible in magic. But just have faith. And enjoy the show. I know exactly what I'm doing. Just believe me when i say that I'm 2 steps ahead of youtube, my friends, family, and everybody else. Which is what a magician is SUPPOSED to do. Real Magic lies within the Reactions...expect to see some real magic in this dvd.

i'm planting seeds right now that nobody realizes that i'm doing.

I'll let you in on a little secret though... I've been talking about the DVD with a well known psych professor who is good friends with James Randi. And i'm also being fed psychology for this dvd and the rest of my clips on youtube.


Chris
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Postby Ian Kendall » 03/10/07 03:31 PM

Damn, I was just about to say that...

Brad's point about the peer status of being published is not a new one, however. I remember Steve Hamilton saying to me 'go on, show me something. Get your name in print' back in the days of Profile. How serious he was we shall never know, but I recognised the sentiment.

Around the same time I was asked by someone in the Magic Circle what was in my lecture. When I explained that I had fewer than six or seven years in and didn't lecture it was greeted with an incredulous, and now somewhat contemptous look. Obvuiously, in the early nineties it was de rigeur to offer lectures...

In an old Opus interview Pat Page gave his opinion of the early adopters; he called them two year old magicians. I've seen this referenced a couple of times in unrelated pieces, but Pat makes essentially the same points as Brad (and Mike and Michael). Fifteen years ago it was not uncommon for convention sessions to be full of people touting self published manuscripts to offset the cost of the dealers' hall. These days photocopied notes are replaced by digital wares, but the idea is the same (and I'm as guilty, if not moreso than most, of this).

In the past, however, one needed to pitch the notes personally, and your customers knew either you, or your work. A live demonstration was essential to close the deal. Reputations were built on ability with the hands, not the edit suite.

Another quote of the period was 'on the internet, noone knows you're a dog'. Nowadays we have web video, of course, so canine mistakes are fewer, but as has been said before, we rarely see the whole story. Web celebrity is not going to go away, so I fear we are in a vicious circle. In an even more pretentious act than I am used to, I'd like to offer a word to the masses by paraphrasing/plagiarising/bastardising one of my favourite poems;

You would not tell with such high zest, to children desparate for some ardent glory,
The old lie; Dulce et decorum est, to put out a three DVD set by next Thursday.

Take care, Ian
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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 04:27 PM

Seems like the quickest way to negate criticism these days is to label it "hate," and the criticizer a "hater." It's the new magic word and a terrific way to appear to gain the moral high ground.
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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 05:28 PM

Yeah, I hate that...
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Postby Guest » 03/10/07 06:09 PM

Dude, i wasn't talking about hate on here. I was talking about on youtube.

"Sleeving! GAY! EASY! YOU SUCK! DO IT WITHOUT SLEEVES FAG!"

THATS hate. When i was talking about "hate" I was talking about in general, go look at that video...you'll know what i mean.
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