Copper/Silver/Brass routine

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Postby Guest » 09/16/05 02:22 AM

who has the best routine using this gimmick, i have heard JC Wagners is good, does anyone use anyone elses routine
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Postby Bob Farmer » 09/16/05 02:30 AM

James Lewis's routine, "Rate of Exchange" is very good. For an odd entry, see my "Rate of Exchange" somewhere in Apocalypse.
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Postby Bob Farmer » 09/16/05 08:29 AM

sorry -- James' routine is called "Foreign Exchange."
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Postby Pete Biro » 09/16/05 09:30 AM

Doc Eason and Paul Green have excellent routines... HOWEVER... a new approach has been created by myself and Joe Porper.

We have made the same routines possible but instead of using coins... we have made the props from REAL CASINO POKER CHIPS.

For a look, check "Hot and New" at www.hocus-pocus.com and watch for advertising in Genii Magazine!
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Postby Guest » 09/16/05 10:59 AM

You can find Pressley Guitar's routine for two copper/one silver in Bob White's "It's A Matter of Style" lecture notes. The routine is interchangeable with the Copper/Silver/Brass gimmick. Bob recently updated the notes with photographs and included some essay's and other material not previously available. It is a great little routine and is worth looking at. You can contact Bob at rhwhite1@swbell.net for info about the notes.
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Postby Bill Duncan » 09/16/05 11:32 AM

For my money the best routine I've ever seen with the gaff isn't a transposition effect at all.

It's David Neighbor's stand up coins thru the table which is on (if I recall correctly) the LVMI Dvds.
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Postby Bob Farmer » 09/16/05 12:13 PM

Pete, Roy Kueppers and I experimented with a lot of poker chip effects a few years ago, including this one. However, I just looked at the Hocus Pocus site and those chips do look most excellent.

What are they made of? Are they clay or metal or plastic?
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Postby Guest » 09/16/05 02:06 PM

I have read very favorable reviews of the C/S/B routine in the DVD, "The Unforgettable Coin Magic of Cody Fisher". Any comments? How does this compare with other routines mentioned in this thread?
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Postby Stefano » 09/16/05 02:32 PM

I think one of the best version is Aztec-Orient Express from John Bannon Smoke and Mirrors pag. 61. He stars clean and finish clean. Look at his handling when the spectator goes in your pocket and take out the two coins transposition.

Also Christian Chelman in his video tape Lecture at RonMcMillan is interested, he uses in addition a ring.

The classic effect was invented by Pressley Guitar is a modernisation of another classic Connie Haden Two Copper One Silver.

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Postby Pete Biro » 09/16/05 05:41 PM

Bob: I assume they are clay as they are from a real chip factory. I know they are not plastic or metal.

BTW, I have a set of Lassen's made in Morgan Dollar size with chinese style coin and a copper coin, all size of the Morgan...

... so... now that I am doing the chip version I will sell the Lassen set for what I paid for it (and throw in for free a Porper switch purse). $300 and I will pay postage. Paypal preferred.
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Postby Tabman » 09/16/05 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Pete Biro:


We have made the same routines possible but instead of using coins... we have made the props from REAL CASINO POKER CHIPS.

Holey smokes!!! The green chip in the middle looks familiar. It's the same chip I use for a couple of the chip sets I make.

Dang!!!!

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Postby John Hopkins » 09/22/05 12:56 PM

For an off-beat but stunning routine look up Dave Neighbors' "3 Coin Monte" (based on the 3 card monte theme but using coins and employing the copper/silver/brass set.
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Postby Guest » 09/23/05 08:32 PM

I kind of liked Karl Norman's routine, using a Copper Silver Brass set and a coin box.
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Postby Matthew Field » 09/24/05 03:29 AM

I'll throw my vote to Derek Dingle's routine, on page 62 of "The Complete Works."

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Postby Randy DiMarco » 09/24/05 07:39 AM

I like Fred Lowe's "Chinese Bit". The gaff set is a little different than the normal C/S/B and there are a couple of really magical moments in that routine.
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Postby Guest » 09/24/05 03:25 PM

I do 99% cards but the ring had a coin night so I


learned the routine by James Lewis on his video.


Does anybody else do that version ?.....Mike
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Postby Dan LeFay » 10/05/05 04:51 AM

Yes, James Lewis'Foreign Exchange is by far my favorite routine with the CSB set. I used Doc Eason's before I knew James'.
I switched the last phase of James with the one from Doc so now I end in the spectator's hand and everything is examinable.

The porper Biro set can be used without any modifucations with this routine. And the chips are silent. No sound issues here! Good work.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 10/05/05 09:47 AM

Nothing beats the version by Geoff Latta in CoinMagic. It's brilliant!
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Postby Pete Biro » 10/05/05 10:07 AM

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Postby John Hopkins » 10/14/05 12:22 PM

Kaufman wrote:

Nothing beats the version by Geoff Latta in CoinMagic. It's brilliant!
For clarity, this routine doesn't use the c/s/b gimmick, but the c/s gimmick - so it can be confusing at first if you approach the routine thinking it uses c/s/b - actually it appears from the illustrations that it is using the c/s/Chinese gimmick (which it isn't).
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Postby Guest » 10/14/05 03:23 PM

I've used and reccomend the forementioned Bannon routine.

The Eason version is also sweet... (has a GREAT spek/hands on moment.)

Gary Kurtz has a superb / offbeat routine on his 'Flurious' video... look for "Trio in Three" (not to be confused with the 'Trio' routine in his book.)

Roger Klause has some nice ideas using the gaff... check out "The Operator" (found within: "In Concert", book or DVD.)

The Porper poker chip routine sounds sweet...
Would love to see this in action.
Is there a net-vid-demo out there anywhere?
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Postby Pete Biro » 10/14/05 07:05 PM

I wish I had the computerwiseness to do one... am trying to figure it out... tell you what, I can to a quick and dirty and email it over the weekend if I can get someone (wife) to operate the camera.
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Postby dwmagic » 10/14/05 11:45 PM

Love the Biro/Porper Chip set! The copper/silver /brass is one of my favorite routines, and yes , I'm using Easons base routine. Solid. The poker chips are the outstanding Porper quality. A friend was going to Vegas for her birthday and I wrote something of an upbeat tale for her using the chips. Just is making more sense to those I perform for.
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Postby Stefan Sprenger » 10/16/05 04:55 AM

Just a note! The Gary Kurzt routine does not use the CSB but the two Copper one Silver gimmick because it would not work with the CSB!

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Postby Vraagaard » 10/17/05 01:39 AM

I believe you can get a lot of milage from this routine, however just like "card on forehead" its all about taking the sting away and not make the spectators look foolish - IMHO. The spectators believe you have one coin left, and then you have two, finallly when the believe they figured it out and think you have two - you have none. They will easily feel fooled if you ask the "so whats left in my hand????" question during the routine. So my favourite patter to avoid getting the spectators to look foolish goes along the line

"The first time I met a magician he showed me a really fascinating effect using a copper and a silver coin (show the coins). Now first he put the silver coin in his pocket (put silver in pocket), oh no, wait a minute, I think he put the copper in his pocket. Do you mind if I start all over? (snap your fingers and show both coins are back where they started). Yes he put the copper coin in his pocket (put copper in pocket). Oh no wait a minute - it was the silver - Sorry, I just start all over again (snap fingers and show both coins has reappeared). Yes he took the silver coin (show it clean) and put it in his pocket - no wait a minute it was not at all like that - I just start over again (snap fingers and show both coins has reappeared). Oh yeah, now I remember, he took both coins and closed his fist, then he took out one coin (reach in and take out copper coin) in this case the copper coin (show copper coin) which he put in his pocket. And what really fascinated me was, that when he snapped his fingers, the other coin had dissapeared (show hand empty) and that was what fascinated me to enter my journey into magic".

I don't remember where I got this idea from, but its certainly not original with me - I'm sure you can tell me who this patter is original with. What I like about it is, that it never gets the spectator to looks foolish, and it's fast clean visual magic 4 times in a row.
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Postby Guest » 10/17/05 07:57 AM

I perform a CSB routine that works in and and out of a spectator's hand called "CSB Assault."

It is both in my book "Coinvanish Volume 2" and my DVD released by Bob Kohler Productions, "Coin Man Walking"

I designed the routine with the following in mind:

1. I did not want to tip to the audience that I was using any extra coins, such as done in the standard routines.
2. I wanted to eliminate any trips to the pocket and not use coin purse switches.
3. I wanted to perform standing, without a table.
4. I wanted to use the spectators hands.
5. Because of #4, the coins need to be examinable at the beginning and end of the routine.

One of my favorite parts of the routine is a triple transposition in and out of a spectator's hands without my hands ever touching.

For the last two changes what you see is me pick up the coins from the spectator's outstretched hands and I turn my hands over to display them, they have transposed. Then I dump them back into her hands and they transpose again.

For those who want to see what this phase looks like I have a demo clip at the top of the page HERE . The very first thing on the demo clip is this phase I talk about. You just need the most current Quicktime Player (version 7.0) to view it.

Enjoy!

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 10/17/05 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Vraagaard:
...its all about taking the sting away and not make the spectators look foolish - IMHO. The spectators believe you have one coin left, and then you have two, ...
Watching Dan's clip suggested that he may have done so. When you ask them what is in THEIR hands they say what is what. When you pick them into YOUR hands, you get the same result. When you put the coins back into their hands, same result. Funny about how left and right reverse when you are facing someone and in this case how the coins change so you are both correct. Nice huh? :D
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Postby Guest » 10/17/05 08:18 AM

I don't present the CSB routine as a challenge.

I start with the introduction of the coins and a few jokes that go with them.

I tell them that it has been a while since I did the trick, but if memory serves correct... and I orient them with what is about to happen.

The first phase has a minor suprise to it since what happens is not exactly what I told them would.

The 2nd and 3rd phase is the part shown on the demo clip, and that is done matter of fact. "If I pick the coins up, they switch places, if I put them back down, they switch places again."

The ending is a commentary on logic, etc. So the whole routine is done with commentary, not questions that ask them to be wrong. Nobody enjoys being told they are wrong.

I also have another routine "Flash Hop" on the DVD which is even a shorter version of Mark Jenest's "Short Hop" with a kicker ending. For those not familiar with the plot, it is similar to Hopping Halves (without the Hopping Halves gimmicks). Most of the presentations that go with that routine is a challenge where they spectator is constantly wrong. In that routine I present every phase in a way that they are NEVER told they are wrong.
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