Stuart Gordon Double Turnover?

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Postby Guest » 10/27/03 02:43 PM

Hi, I'm looking for a reference for the Stuart Gordon Double Turnover.

I know it's in Ortiz's "Cardshark" - which I believe is currently out of print. But I was searching this forum and it looks like it appears in some of the Jennings material - but it wasn't decided exactly where. Can anyone help out?

Any other references would also be appreciated.

Thanks for your help.
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Postby Ryan Matney » 10/27/03 03:02 PM

I know for sure that it's in 'The CardWright.' I'm pretty sure it's also described in 'Jenning's '67' as well.
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Postby Guest » 10/27/03 05:11 PM

Jennings '67, Kaufman, pp. 186-187
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Postby Rafael Benatar » 10/28/03 06:53 AM

The Cardwright includes a version done with two overlapping doubles. Incidentally, Ascanio liked that turnover so much he used to say he wished he had invented it, because it can follow the Ascanio Spread so smoothly.
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Postby Guest » 10/28/03 08:09 AM

Paul Cummins (who does the Turnover immaculately) uses the Gordon turnover action in his 'Sequestered Collectors' routine (which can be read in his FASDIU 'manuscript' or seen on his "Up in Smoke" vid.)

Paul would be a good guy to ask about 'references' for this move... Paul... ya out there?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 10/28/03 09:29 AM

Interestingly, this particular turnover has never been described the way Stuart Gordon actually does it, but the way Larry Jennings and Derek Dingle have done it, which is with the third finger at the outer right corner of the card at the start, and the card held somewhat deeply in the hand. Jennings and Dingle also flexed the double as it turned over.
Gordon puts his SECOND finger on the outer right corner at the start, and holds the double at the tips of his thumb and first finger. Gordon does not flex the card as it turns over.
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Postby Pete Biro » 10/28/03 10:28 AM

Had not heard Stuart Gordon's name in years. A lawyer and friend of Ricky Jay's he was involved in card work some years ago, but we haven't seen him around lately.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 10/28/03 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Dave Kirkland:
Hi, I'm looking for a reference for the Stuart Gordon Double Turnover.
Is this the stud turnover that was real tight in the late 70's?

Real nice technique to add some finesse to routines like McDonald's aces or Wildcard.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 10/28/03 10:58 AM

Jonathan, yes, it is the technique that was tight in the 1970s.
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Postby Guest » 10/28/03 12:37 PM

Hi guys. Thanks for the information. I'll take a look at the Jennings material.

Doug - I contacted Paul privately. We hope that Cardshark may be reprinted sometime in the near future :) ?

I'd be interested in hearing more about Stuart Gordon and the secrecy around the technique. How did Jennings and Ortiz get around to having it published?


Thanks again.

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Postby Guest » 10/30/03 08:10 AM

Doug, thanks for the pointer to Paul's tape. I have this and checked it out. Its good to see the turnover in action - and Paul repeats the move several times.
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