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Postby Guest » 11/07/05 03:35 AM

Hi guys,

I was hoping one of you could help me with crediting a move I perform all the time but don't know the originator of.
The move involves switching one card for another as follows: The top card of the face down deck is turned face up and a break obtained below the second (first face down) card of the deck. Both of these cards are then spread off the deck as a double. The deck is turned over onto these cards and the thumb pushes off the face (now bottom) card. This effectively switches the top 2 cards of the deck in a discrepent but illusive way. I've seen it mistakenly called the KM move on occasion, but know that name refers to another very different sleight.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Andy
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Postby Philippe Billot » 11/07/05 04:23 AM

Yes, It's one of the multiple uses of the KM (Kardyro Marlo Move - 1962)
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Postby Guest » 11/07/05 05:26 AM

It's Harry Lorayne's Illogical Double Lift.
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Postby Philippe Billot » 11/07/05 05:43 AM

Hi, Uli

If you are speaking about the Illogical Double Lift described in Quantum Leaps 1979, page 30,
It's a KM MOVE !!!
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/07/05 08:50 AM

It is not a KM Move.
Marlo did publish the move years before Harry Lorayne, but in no way can it be called a KM Move (and I don't care what Marlo may have called it--can't recall now--but it does not use the KM Mechanics).
Has anyone realized that the so-called KM Move is just the old Slip Force done with only two cards? So much for invention--it's just another case of Marlo applying old mechanics differently and trying to claim them as a new invention.
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Postby Gene Taylor » 11/07/05 11:32 AM

"Single Card Exchange" Marlo's Magazine Volume One, 1976
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 11/07/05 12:25 PM

I got the "Ted Anneman" feeling about the thing when first seeing it in a routine.
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Postby John Carey » 11/08/05 01:42 AM

Does KM stand for kaufmann marlo? :D ;)
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Postby Rafael Benatar » 11/08/05 03:06 AM

This move appeared in one of Frank Garcia's early books (not that this clarifies the crediting).
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Postby Guest » 11/08/05 03:08 AM

Thanks for the replies guys, I thought that the KM title was incorrect as this is attributed to the move where a card (or cards) are stolen back onto the deck as it is turned. Usually to clean up a double or secretly reverse one or several cards in a slip action as mentioned by Richard.
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Postby Philippe Billot » 11/09/05 04:37 AM

Originally posted by Richard Kaufman:
Has anyone realized that the so-called KM Move is just the old Slip Force done with only two cards? .
Are you speaking of the Backslip Force,described (for instance) in Royal Road to Card Magic ?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/09/05 08:36 AM

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Postby Philippe Billot » 11/09/05 09:08 AM

Richard,

Are you saying that because Gilles-Edme Guyot (for instance) has described in 1769 the Backslip, you refute all the work, search, new applications given by Marlo just because he has given at this move a new name (K.M.) ?
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Postby Jon Racherbaumer » 11/09/05 10:07 AM

NAMING AND NECESSITY:
A Brief Note about Initialing Mechanics

Here we go again.

Just when I thought this topic (controversy?) had been laid to rest (a black wreath happily placed onto its bier), Im dragged back into the matrix of misunderstandings and fuzzy definitions.

The question still vexingly unanswered is: Why bother?

So

The loose talk regarding the K.M. Move begs to be clarified yet again, causing some of us to examine the business of provenance, the practice of naming and claiming sleights, and of giving the SAME name to all variants of these sleights, even when each accomplishes different ends and are applied differently.

The NAMING business is inevitably problematic, especially for those desiring credit. Their rationale is: I thought of it. Its my discovery or invention. I named it. IT IS MINE. End of story.

As far as casual, level-headed practitioners are concerned, they stay out of such frays. They are primarily interested in what the mechanics of a sleight DOES. They ask: Will I use it? Can I do it? Is it practical? Is it deceptive?

Once these questions are satisfactorily answered, they add the sleight to their arsenal and are largely indifferent to its name. If they care about provenance and its history is uncomplicated and clear-cut, they will most of the time refer to the sleight by its CONSENSUAL name. Otherwise, its up for grabs or as a character in Things to Do in Denver When Youre Dead says:

Give it a name!

This being said, what about the K. M. Move?

I tried to answer this question in a 100-page book pretentiously titled, COMPLEAT KM MOVE (1992).

Since most readers will not be motivated to slog through a hundred pages, let me offer four observations:

(1) Marlo did not take a commonplace set of mechanics and claim them as his invention. The initials (K.M.) stand for Kardyro and Marlo. Marlo, if he claimed anything, was the important finesses that gave the mechanics FLEXIBILITY.
(2) The mechanics, by the way, can be used to secretly REVERSE a card or cards or to SWITCH a card or cards. This can be done in a myriad of ways.
(3) In the big treatise, I pointed out Jean Irvings Peek (Phoenix #70), which was SOMEWHAT similar to the mechanics of the K.M. Move insofar as being a way to steal-reverse cards.
(4) The move initially brought up on the Genii Forum is the CONTEMPORARY KAM CHANGE, which has four variations. This is the move that Harry Lorayne published and apparently reinvented. (I will post that background separately on this Forum, if anyone is interested.)

As just mentioned, I doubt that many readers are really interested in such detailed background. If you are, I suggest reading the COMPLEAT KM MOVE. (This mss. will be on my Website very soon, free to Premium Members.)

In the meantime, others will use the mechanics of this sleight and its variants to their advantage and will call it any name they like.

This is how the game is played.

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Postby Philippe Billot » 11/09/05 11:16 AM

Mr. Racherbaumer

Is it possible to buy your book Compleat KM Move without been a member of your site ?

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Postby Jon Racherbaumer » 11/09/05 05:00 PM

Yes, a hard-bound (spiral) will be available in December or as a downloadable e-book. One does NOt have to be a member for these...

Thanks for the inquiry.

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