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Postby Pete McCabe » 03/14/14 11:02 AM

Just four years ago I did not own any Tenyo tricks. None! And I was happy.

Then I acquired a Tenyo trick. It was given to me, really. It was the one with blocks that have a skeleton body on them. I don’t know what it’s called. I just looked it up and it’s called Bare Bones but when I got it I didn’t even know that. I don’t even know if or how it works or if it has all the pieces. I put it in my magic drawer and there it stays.

And still I was happy.

Then a few months ago I was given an Anti-Gravity Rock. The basic idea is really cool, the illusion is amazingly strong, but to make a trick out of it there are a lot of compromises that would keep me from ever doing it. So it went on my shelf, next to the Bare Bones. At least I tried this one out, just to fool myself.

Still happy.

Sometime within the last two weeks I went through one of the Tenyo threads here and started reading up on the different Tenyo tricks. I thought I might enjoy setting myself the challenge of buying a Tenyo trick and developing a presentation for it. I found a website where a guy was selling a number of old ones, for what seem like very reasonable prices. At some point, insidiously, something changed. Now it wasn’t should I consider buying one, it was: Which one should I get?

I picked Ultraslice and bought it. I have a couple of ideas for presentation that I think will be fun. Then, before Ultraslice even arrived at my house, I read through the Koornwinder Kar thread, and before I knew it I had ordered the Tenyo version. From Amazon. (Amazon!)

I’m not saying I’m unhappy now, but… my Ultraslice hasn’t arrived yet. My Koornwinder Kar hasn’t arrived yet. So I can’t be completely happy. How could I, without these things? And there are so many more that I don’t own, and probably could never afford. Balloon Illusion looks like a great trick for my classroom. It’s only $30. And how the hell does Geometrick work? Seriously. Have you seen the video? How the hell does that work? Can I really die without knowing?

This is how it starts, right? How long can it be before I know the T-numbers of the four (Four!) Tenyo tricks I now own? How long before I own five?

And I blame you. All you Tenyo fanatics on the Genii Forum. You’ve infected me with whatever it is that makes you all crazy. You bastards!
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Postby Ted M » 03/14/14 11:27 AM

The only Tenyo trick I own is T-242, China Surprise.

I'm in no danger of being infected!
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Postby I.M. Magician » 03/14/14 11:34 AM

Ted:

There is only one direction to go after acquiring Tenyo Chine Surprise and that is up. Most of us Tenyo addicts would agree that the one you have is not very exciting. You certainly can't judge Tenyo by China Surprise. Perhaps Tenyo should have released that one as a sold in Japan release only.

I will say that it did earn me a couple of Egg Rolls at my local Chinese Restaurant a while back when I performed it for my waiter and the owner of the establishment.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/14/14 11:43 AM

I would avoid that website, Pete. It's run by a guy who's been banned from both here and Magic Cafe and has some problems with the truth.
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Postby PickaCard » 03/14/14 11:49 AM

Pete, be careful. I was like you about 2 years ago and have since spent $10,000 on Tenyo. My credit line still hurts...

What ever you do, do stay away from Stereo's blog...
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Postby John Signa » 03/14/14 12:40 PM

Once infected, Tenyoitis never goes away.

I thought it started for me back in the late 90's when I was traveling to Tokyo couple times a year. Each trip I would pick up a couple tricks.

Then I decided to cure myself of the silly "toys" and sold them off at club flea market for few bucks each.

During a trip to Tokyo last October I got to see the latest tricks just weeks after release. Then got to have dinner with Richard and some former Tenyo employees. The infection reemerged, stronger than ever. I came home with about a dozen different tricks.

Almost 6 months later, the infection is full blown. With an inflamed collection and frequent checks to Ebay and Stereo's blog.

However, last night I found out the infection was started long before... back in 1973 with a trick that my grandmother bought for me at the Marshall Fields magic counter and that I've kept since then and have used in hundreds of performances, not knowing it was a Tenyo product.

So for me, there never was any real hope.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/14/14 01:54 PM

It was ... destiny.
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Postby Doomo » 03/14/14 02:28 PM

I used to do a lot of drugs and knew a lot of sketchy people who could not be trusted in a deal. I spent a lot of money... Wow... Tenyo sounds so much like old home week!
RFA Productions yeah... It is cool stuff.

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Postby Pete McCabe » 03/15/14 02:02 AM

My Ultraslice arrived today, on time and as advertised. It's very cool. Still don't know the T-number.

It seems that it needs to get "broken in" to operate smoothly. Any advice for the best way to do this?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/15/14 11:52 AM

It doesn't need to get broken in. Get some silicone spray and give it a small spritz. Then no problem.
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Postby Ross Welford » 03/19/14 12:33 PM

I wonder if that ^ would work with my Tenyo Korrnwinder Kar? I have had it for years, but I have never performed it because the mechanism is just too stiff. There's an audible click when I switch it. Never been happy with it :(
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Postby Chris Aguilar » 03/19/14 01:33 PM

For those in the know, is there a large percentage of Tenyo that have noise issues (clunking, sliding, etc. noises)?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/19/14 02:10 PM

Not a large percentage. About 6 items.


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Postby Brad Henderson » 03/19/14 02:19 PM

the sound of secrecy - clunk!

(a line stolen from a former student, quipped while playing with a mental epic board)
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/19/14 03:46 PM

One of the items that is often thought to have a noise issue is "Crystal Pyramid," but it does NOT if you perform it as outlined in the instructions.
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Postby edshern » 05/03/14 10:49 AM

Hi Pete,
I have about 200 Tenyo, and started just like you. For the most part I have completed my collection. What I'm missing is either very rare, I would never ever use, simply don't want, or very expensive (for now).

As for Stereo's blog. If it returns check it out. Probably the single best source of Tenyo information on the planet.

As for Mazza's site, there aren't many folks there, but the ones who are, are knowledgeable. As for the moderator I will simply say that to stay in good standing you will need to stay in his good graces.

As for RK, probably worlds foremost Tenyo expert . Writing a book on Tenyo as we speak, coming soon to a bookstore near you (well his website anyway.) if there are any copies left available.

Good luck with the hobby. It's unbelievable how many great tricks Tenyo has issued. If we can help, please ask.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 05/03/14 12:11 PM

Mazza is a tyranical boob. Typical sociopath who likes to have power over others. I would avoid his website. He used to sell bootlegs of many Tenyo effects (I have the email he sent me early on, when he was trying to curry favor with me, to prove it.) He talks a lot about "good karma," but he's an evil and manipulative person.

The people who are on his website have to kowtow to stay there. Most of them are not very knowledgable about Tenyo, though they think they are. All they know, they've learned from buying tricks and reading Stereo's now-gone website. There are a few knowledable people, and I'm surprised they're taken in by his blatant manipulative behavior.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 05/04/14 04:47 PM

seems like RK feels about Mazza and his site the way many of us feel about Steve brooks and the cafe.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 05/04/14 11:37 PM

Not the same at all.


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Postby Brad Henderson » 05/05/14 07:48 AM

Richard Kaufman wrote:Mazza is a tyranical boob. Typical sociopath who likes to have power over others. I would avoid his website. . . He talks a lot about "good karma," but he's an evil and manipulative person.

The people who are on his website have to kowtow to stay there. Most of them are not very knowledgable about Tenyo, though they think they are. . . There are a few knowledable people, and I'm surprised they're taken in by his blatant manipulative behavior.


change the word Tenyo to 'magic' and karma to something Christian based and your feelings toward this person are identical to mine toward Steve.

I know many others who feel the same as me.

so - yes the way you have represented your feelings toward Mazza are the same as many of us feel toward Steve - I doubt you are so daring as to claim you know our hearts and minds better than we do.

it hurts when we see people harming the things we love. I don't blame you for your strong feelings toward this person. Just trying to let you know this is how others feel regarding the cafe. Seems reasonable, yes?
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Postby mrgoat » 05/05/14 08:27 AM

Richard Kaufman wrote:Not the same at all.


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Hmm...excuse the sleight edit:

"Steve Brooks is a tyranical boob. Typical sociopath who likes to have power over others. I would avoid his website. He used to promote bootlegs of many magic effects he's an evil and manipulative person.

The people who are on his website have to kowtow to stay there. Most of them are not very knowledgable about magic, though they think they are. All they know, they've learned from buying tricks and reading the website. There are a few knowledable people, and I'm surprised they're taken in by his blatant manipulative behaviour."

Sounds like EXACTLY how many people feel about the tragic cafe.

Tyranical? Check. Likes having power? Check. Avoid his website? Check. People have to kowtow? Check. Most not knowledgable? Check. Think they are? Double check. Few knowledgeable people? Check.
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Postby Bill Marquardt » 05/05/14 10:02 AM

A pair of boobs?
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Postby hgebeaux » 05/06/14 05:51 AM

The tempest here reminds me of some of the Rings I belonged to in years past. There were always members who blasted other members for who knows what, and who tried to block new members for any reason they could come up with. There are so few magicians in the world. I just don't understand why we seem to delight in bashing the few who are into magic. I'm not suggesting we embrace unethical behavior, or just accept anything and everything, but why can't we just stew in private rather that spread our anger all over. Seems to me more words are offered bashing fellow magicians than in praising the art of magic.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 05/06/14 11:13 AM

if people do not speak up, what will ever change?

if people are not informed that there are higher standards and better practices, then how will they know they have a greater potential which can be realized?

give us something to praise and we will praise it.

do not condemn us for merely calling attention when we fall short, especially when that seems to be the only mark people care to hit.

there is only one path to improvement - that is to turn one's weaknesses into strengths. Why are so many so fearful of addressing and considering what those weaknesses are?
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 05/06/14 12:52 PM

The magic market is what it is, still.

Folks who desire better will have to do better on their own.

I'm puzzled about the magic community treating consumer market toys as if they were pages from the Harbin book or details of the Hooker Card Act set construction. Why the fuss over the Tenyo trick methods on magic boards? Also, what process did Tenyo set up to adopt/adapt their mechanical items into less plastic/toy like constructions?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 05/06/14 01:03 PM

We are now done with both John Mazza and Steve Brooks (I do not equate the two in any way).

If someone wants to talk about Tenyo, please continue. Otherwise, don't post in this thread.
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Postby AJM » 05/06/14 04:25 PM

Well I'm still looking for a Tenyo Parabox if that helps us get back on track.

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Postby Brad Henderson » 05/06/14 05:16 PM

I'm willing to sell a geometrick
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 05/06/14 05:21 PM

Geometrick and Parabox are both work between $100 and $150 new in the package.
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Postby I.M. Magician » 05/06/14 05:27 PM

I have lots of wonderful Tenyo releases I am willing to trade or sell although not the rare or high value numbers but plenty of good ones.

Please feel free to let me know what you are looking for and what you have to trade.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 05/06/14 07:20 PM

This person is selling some excellent and hard to find items in very good condition on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/airigami/m.html ... 7675.l2562
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 05/06/14 08:25 PM

And here's something you should definitely AVOID:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Space-Walking-C ... 461f84228f

"Space Walking Coins" that has been painted black! Worth nothing! I wouldn't pay $15 for it.
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Postby John Signa » 05/06/14 10:36 PM

I cringed first time I saw it posted followed by a "Whaaaa?" When it "sold" for $165. Looks like the first buyer came to his senses.
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