Copper Silver Brass

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Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Farmer » January 6th, 2013, 10:15 am

I'm not a coin guy by any stretch of the Classic Palm, but I have invented a few coin tricks. I'm working on a new routine for the Copper Silver Brass coins and I had an idea for a finish where the coins vanish one by one and appear back in the coin purse.

So the setup on the table is this:

Copper outjogged on shell silver outjogged on brass (i.e., Chinese coin).

I pretend to pick up the brass coin but slide it into the shell silver. It vanishes.

I reorder the coins so the shell silver is outjogged on the copper. I pretend to pick up the copper, but it slides into the shell silver. It vanishes.

Still working on the vanish of the final coin -- but here's my question for the coin guys:

I know this idea of sliding a coin into a shell has been used before. I'm looking for some good explanations of how to do this smoothly.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

The solution I have for the final coin is this: for the vanish of the first two coins, rather than just open my hand and show the coin is gone, I'm thinking of using a small dark silk with a coin fake sewn inside. So the first coin is placed under the silk and held apparently -- it vanishes and both the silk and the hands are seen to be completely empty. Second coin same thing.

By this time they've seen that each vanish is really clean. Now do the silver coin, but palm it. The feke is held through the silk -- the coin vanishes. Silk hides coin in hand as it is pocketed and coin purse opened to reveal thre coins.

Any ideas would be appreciated. Any references also -- and this coin in the silk idea must have been used before.

Thank you.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Richard Kaufman » January 6th, 2013, 12:16 pm

Bob, read Geoff Latta's work on the sliding of the shell over a coin in CoinMagic.

The point of having something shown in the silk which the spectator can hold is to allow you to go south with the actual item long before the spectator lets go and the item disappears. Or, the item is never really placed under the silk to begin with.
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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bill Duncan » January 6th, 2013, 2:58 pm

Bob, I'll send you a note on CN later today.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Farmer » January 6th, 2013, 4:07 pm

Bill: please send the note to trickmail@cogeco.ca Thank you.

Richard: reading it now.

I made up a little silk with a plastic feke stuck in the middle with some tape. It worked great, so I'll get a pro version made. The silk is very small, just big enough to wrap the coins in and insert in the coin purse.

I'm also working on a completely different gaffed coin trick with a new principle that is so counterintuitive my head hurts every time I think about it. I'm calling it "The Chinese Jade Merchants Monte" -- Shanghai, 1932: coins forged from the chains that once held the prisoners of the Opium wars, now used to fleece the blue-eyed devils come to steal the treasures of the Orient -- or something like that.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Farmer » January 7th, 2013, 7:11 am

Attention Richard Kaufman: we remember a Kaufman diagram for a Mike Skinner routine for the Copper-Silver-Brass coins. It's not in the Almanac, Intimate Magic or Classic Sampler. Any clues?

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 7th, 2013, 8:32 am

Bob, have a look in More Magic by Hoffmann in the mulitplying money item - the woodcuts numbered 52-54 are pretty clear about using the fingers to grip the shell.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Farmer » January 9th, 2013, 11:14 am

I'll look.

Another question: does anyone have some references for ditching a coin in the left breast pocket of a jacket or shirt?

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Kent Gunn » January 9th, 2013, 12:24 pm

Bobo. Not home or I'd look it up for you.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Gerdes » January 9th, 2013, 12:24 pm

Bob Farmer wrote:I'll look.

Another question: does anyone have some references for ditching a coin in the left breast pocket of a jacket or shirt?


"The Bobo Complete Coin Vanish" and "Complete Thumb Palm Vanish" in Bobo for starters.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 9th, 2013, 12:44 pm

Bob Kohler has some work on that.
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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Farmer » January 9th, 2013, 1:04 pm

Thanks guys, will look those up.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Jeffrey Cowan » January 10th, 2013, 2:24 am

Jonathan Townsend wrote:Bob Kohler has some work on that.


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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby erdnasephile » January 10th, 2013, 4:30 am

Is Kohler's work published? If so, may I please know where?

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bill Mullins » January 10th, 2013, 1:56 pm

He has a CSB routine in his notes "Kohler's Tap".

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby erdnasephile » January 10th, 2013, 5:33 pm

Thanks--Bill; I shall check it out.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 11th, 2013, 9:49 am

Sounds like you are adding a silver e[ to the c/s/b gaff.
Pretending to pick up the bottom coin from a spread on the table is not quite as natural as one might expect and the audience does not always follow the implied actions.
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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Farmer » January 11th, 2013, 1:16 pm

Jonathan: Yes, in the routine I'm working out, I use the shell silver to secretly capture the copper and brass coins as they are apparently picked up. However, I'm not using a table -- my routine is designed for standing (or for sitting at a table where the table is unusable, e.g., drunk passed out with head in beer pooling on surface). In the hands, it looks much better, especially if you raise the taking hand slightly to emphasize that the coin is there.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Farmer » January 12th, 2013, 1:00 pm

Here's an opening sequence I've been playing around with. I don't recall seeing this sequence anywhere. The effect is this:

Silver coin jumps from left hand to right hand and back.

1. Silver coin in left hand. Copper and brass in right hand.

2. Close right hand, nesting copper/brass into one.

3. Close left hand.

4. Open right hand showing copper/brass as silver.

5. Pause a beat. Close right hand letting copper/brass separate.

6. Open left hand showing silver.

7. Open right hand showing copper and brass.

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Dan LeFay » January 14th, 2013, 9:11 am

Jonathan Townsend wrote:Sounds like you are adding a silver e[ to the c/s/b gaff.
Pretending to pick up the bottom coin from a spread on the table is not quite as natural as one might expect and the audience does not always follow the implied actions.


That is right. It does not look good. But try this instead:
Hold the three coins in a fan at the fingertips a la 3-fly (top coin is silver [, second coin is brass shell, bottom coin is centavo).
Now pretend to pick the bottom coin (centavo) from the fan. When fingers cover the centavo from the front, let the coin slide into the chinese shell. Pretend to hold centavo with hother hand and vanish.
The fact that the chinese [ has a hole is easily covered with the fingers.

Same thing can be done with the CSB gimmick sliding into the silver [.

The fact that you end up with a nested gimmick that can be more or less show from two sides, is an advantage.

Al Schneider has a beautiful demonstration of the Bobo vanish with the silk on his DVD (the trick with the 3 coins and the cointray).

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Jonathan Townsend » January 14th, 2013, 12:34 pm

I recall that nest as being particularly rattle sensitive and a good reason to learn a transfer into EG so you can keep the thing horizontal and rim side up while moving after the vanish. Consider the Ramsay three coins in the hat trick for context ;)

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Re: Copper Silver Brass

Postby Bob Farmer » January 14th, 2013, 1:32 pm

Thank you for those notes.


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