Topper-esque Move from Lowey Palm

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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 08/26/12 01:03 PM

What about this idea: http://youtu.be/WJTU7kPIyfk

Basically, you take an riffled-stopped stock and angle the portion from Loweys pivot point. Upon raising the deck for the peak....stock slides back to align with deck while thumb slides top card to angled position. The card is noted. When the deck comes back down...top portion is pulled back to angle-jog to complete the illusion. Is this one out there Joe? Still in alpha....but it works. Always Now, Robert
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/26/12 01:26 PM

Aside from the fact that it's an odd way to display a "stopped-at" card, the sleight looks very good.
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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 08/28/12 12:06 PM

I don't believe its an odd way at all. You are breaking at the 'Stopped point' to give spectator time to clear their mind before showing the card they stopped at. And your head is turned away before bringing the deck up for the 'peak'. Your head even remains turned away as you bring down the "angled" portion to complete the illusion. Only then, do you return to look at the the still angled portions. Deck is now fixed and dribbled to discourage any 'breaks' for controlling.....Try it!...on that aspect, it seems quite natural.
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Postby mrgoat » 08/28/12 01:36 PM

Sworn Lip(s) wrote:I don't believe its an odd way at all.


You're wrong.

It looks VERY odd and unnatural.

Try this. Take a deck, give it to 10 laypeople. Ask them to riffle down the cards and break them off when you call stop. See how many weird grip the deck like a vice and then do that angle pivot thing...

And/or read magic books and find any displays of a stopped at card that use that weird pivoty thing.

It's awesome you came up with something. It's brave to post it here. But, it most definitely is a bit odd!
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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 08/28/12 02:01 PM

.....or.......just take those exact same 10 laypeople and perform this move for them with any trick you know that requires 'card to top'. I guess afterwards, you could ask them what was odd about the trick.....but why stop there....you now have an audience of 10 :)
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Postby mrgoat » 08/28/12 02:15 PM

Sworn Lip(s) wrote:.....or.......just take those exact same 10 laypeople and perform this move for them with any trick you know that requires 'card to top'. I guess afterwards, you could ask them what was odd about the trick.....but why stop there....you now have an audience of 10 :)


Yes, I tell you what. I'll perform a pass, side steal or even a injog shuffle control from chapter 1 of royal road.

And you perform your odd little thing.

See what people think looks more natural. 10, 100, or a thousand people, makes no odds. I bet you 500 bucks I'd win.

Sorry we think it's odd looking. It must be horrible to make a baby and have people say it looks weird. I can totally understand why you are being defensive.

Just seems you're solving a problem that has already been solved, many times, and in many better ways.

Well done for trying to think creatively though. That's always to be admired.
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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 08/28/12 02:46 PM

You calling my baby wierd? Them are fighten words
! Just kidding! Nice to finally meet you Mr. Goat....I've enjoyed following your post responses for year now. Keep it up ..... :)
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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 08/29/12 10:34 PM

Ok...im back...had to secure my 500 bucks. Anywho, Ive decided to call the move 'The Odd STopper'...in tribute to this post. Just a quick thought concerning laypeople. If you are acknowledged as a skilled performer, then a move such as I have shared is overlooked as being odd. No different than if you asked a spectator to flip over the top card of a deck. They don't think to realize that your double-lift looked odd compared to their turn over. Not defending the move...it was just fun proving that it worked to the laypeople I shared it with. Remember, this is a 'head-turned-away riffle stop move. Your actions for the angled stop is perhaps justified because you are not looking at the deck when performed...and dont forget...your break is kept a little longer due to your patter of really wanting spectator to 'remember selection' when it is finally brought up and shown. :)
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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 09/02/12 09:56 AM

Eureka! http://youtu.be/DwKPy6RdjQQ Im on to it! Riffled All the Way. Or we can acronymally call it the RAW version. A little more relaxation and this move will be nice. What I like about the new handling is not only the riffle part, but it still draw attention to the top half stock shadow illusion.
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Postby mrgoat » 09/02/12 11:17 AM

Do you not find it weird talking to yourself like this?
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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 09/02/12 11:26 AM

No....thats why I use a mirror.
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Postby mrgoat » 09/02/12 11:33 AM

You could set up a blog 'weirdpointlesscardmoves.com' is free, I'll install wordpress on it for you for free, then you can post to your little heart's content about your funny little move that no one here seems to care about.

Or I can email Steve Brooks, maybe he can add another sub forum to the 209203902 he has now called 'weird card moves'.

LMK.

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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 09/02/12 11:54 AM

Cool....we could also add my mental force....its called 'I made you read this sentence.'
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 09/02/12 03:47 PM

Sworn Lip(s) wrote:What about this idea: http://youtu.be/WJTU7kPIyfk

Basically, you take an riffled-stopped stock and angle the portion from Loweys pivot point. Upon raising the deck for the peak....stock slides back to align with deck while thumb slides top card to angled position. The card is noted. When the deck comes back down...top portion is pulled back to angle-jog to complete the illusion. Is this one out there Joe? Still in alpha....but it works. Always Now, Robert



Yes, an inverse or face out bluff pass. Glad to see you are thinking about methods. Not the most robust of approaches though.
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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 09/03/12 09:39 AM

Alright folks...and my apologies... 'Weirdpointlesscardmoves.com' isnt quite up yet...we are having problems/issues with wordpress. Anywho....I thought id add my newest idea to the move here:

-The card is stopped and peaked in a more natural manor.
-the gap illusion is still there
-working to have 'selected card' audibly and visually buried from that point... http://youtu.be/0KHidnc5x_g
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 09/03/12 04:11 PM

I like the idea of a more "parlor" type approach. That kind of handling is similar in appearance to Nate Leipzig's work - the peek rather than remove/replace. At a guess your approach would serve as a feint where those who expect a pass are left to watch nothing and then you have that off-beat to do a steal.

Probably handy where you want to force the top card like the two card transposition or red hot mama.
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Postby Sworn Lip(s) » 10/07/12 01:31 PM

Ok...here it is again. http://youtu.be/KaoAbcaEcjE In a more natural setting and performed with head turned you get this....You get the stopped at shadow illusion of portions separated followed by the visual and audible residue of selection getting buried back in the middle.

The only reason for right hand, is for the job of riffling. The same grip is even excellent for pinky break needs. The reason for such a high grip justifies the desire to make index clear when riffling for 'though of' card.

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