Okay. Again, not the way I teach MY effect. I don't use a force for this, nor do I use culls for this. As a matter of fact, one of the "goals" I had when I originally devised the routine Foursome was NOT to use culls. Know why? 'Cause I can't do 'em!! Also, sure there's credit here, but who gave this person PERMISSION TO TEACH MY ROUTINE??!! Sorry, I don't get it. Perform my concept, okay within reason, but TEACH IT? Sorry, but it's a new world. Whatever happened to "Hey, you want to learn this - go to" (such and such a book - if that book is still in print, or available - AND MINE IS). And, if you are going to teach it, at least teach it the way I TEACH/perform it - NOT the way YOU perform it. Am I terribly wrong here? People watching this will assume that I teach a force, cull, etc., (never mind the patter!) WHICH I DO NOT. Hey, maybe this guy's performance is better than mine - but THAT'S NOT THE POINT I'm trying to make here.