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Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Magic Newswire » August 25th, 2012, 10:30 am

A new film on Ricky Jay will premier at the 50th annual NY Film Festival on October 4th at 6:30. Find out more and watch an older BBC documentary on Ricky here: http://bit.ly/JayFF

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Michael Kamen » August 25th, 2012, 1:12 pm

Wow -- that was a good documentary!
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Magic Newswire » August 25th, 2012, 1:30 pm

Umm.. I didn't put any ads in that post. If an admin will kindly remove them. Thx

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 25th, 2012, 2:05 pm

We're working on it.
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Magic Newswire » August 25th, 2012, 2:16 pm

Whew ... Ok.. It isn't me. Thats a pain RK

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Postby Richard Kaufman » August 25th, 2012, 2:43 pm

You don't know pain.
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Steve Bryant » August 25th, 2012, 3:33 pm

Excellent video! First time I've heard Ricky sing.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Bill Mullins » August 25th, 2012, 6:24 pm

And a fine singing voice it is.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby AJM » August 25th, 2012, 6:37 pm

I hope it's better than his speaking voice....
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 25th, 2012, 8:03 pm

Watching the documentary I was struck by how good Ricky's card technique used to be.
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Ted M » August 25th, 2012, 8:50 pm

Ricky Jay did seances?!

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Pete Biro » August 28th, 2012, 3:03 am

Used to be????
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby kevinm » August 28th, 2012, 3:51 pm

Maybe a midnight, surprise showing at the Genii convention?

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 28th, 2012, 5:20 pm

I don't think so.
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby MaxNY » August 28th, 2012, 9:49 pm

Wow! 2 questions. 1. When was the shot? 1987? 2. What Huntington Library, Huntington, NY?

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 28th, 2012, 9:54 pm

The Huntington Library is located in California.
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Dustin Stinett » August 28th, 2012, 11:28 pm

Near Pasadena (City of San Marino), it is a must-see place if you enjoy fine art, beautiful gardens, and of course antiquarian books (though there is no touchie-feelie of those allowed unless you are a qualified scholar).

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby MaxNY » August 29th, 2012, 12:15 am

...and that ladder that changes into a chair, How cool was that?

I'm not a card guy, never wanted to be, (vitiligo: the unwanted mis-direction)...but I was stunned by the ten card poker stuff at the end. Without tipping here, can any card guys say that this is possible? Care to point me to a proper perspective?

and...lastly..."He was promised a woman of negotiable affections for the night."

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 29th, 2012, 12:40 am

It's called a Franklin Chair, and was invented by Benjamin Franklin.

The "women of negotiable affections" line is from Persi Diaconis's patter for his handling of The Hotel Mystery.
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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Max Maven » August 29th, 2012, 4:50 am

Persi may have used the phrase in a specific routine, but it goes back much further.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Bill Mullins » August 29th, 2012, 10:24 am

Bob Orben, quoting Dai Vernon, gives credit to Judson Cole for the phrase in Genii, 9/53:

Fred Allen and [Judson] Cole were having lunch together and Allen was concerned over a bit for his radio show. He had to describe a young lady of easy virtue and wanted to do it in a humorous way. Jud thought a moment, then said: "Why not call her a girl with negotiable affections?"


However, a 9/26/1937 review in the Washington Post of the book Harbor Nights by Harvy Klemmer uses the phrase, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were to be found in Klemmer's book.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Dustin Stinett » August 29th, 2012, 11:56 am

I cannot recall why I think this, but it seems to me that it goes back to Mark Twain.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Bill Mullins » August 29th, 2012, 6:18 pm

Twain gets credit for a lot of stuff he never said (and I say that with all the authority that comes from being a contributor to Fred Shapiro's The Yale Book of Quotations; i.e., not very much.)

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby MaxNY » August 29th, 2012, 9:24 pm

It probably goes back to the times of the earliest know profession.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Brad Jeffers » August 30th, 2012, 4:00 am

MaxNY wrote:Wow! When was the shot? 1987?


MCMXCV (1995)


MaxNY wrote: I was stunned by the ten card poker stuff at the end. Without tipping here, can any card guys say that this is possible? Care to point me to a proper perspective?


Different versions of the ten-card poker deal can be found in many places. A good one is "Mexican Poker" from "Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table".

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Steve Bryant » August 30th, 2012, 8:49 am

Re negotiable affections, if you go to Google books and enter the phrase in the search field, you will find many, many references to books that use it, most having nothing to do with magic. One of these did, Karl Johnson's The Magician and the Card Sharp, in which he attributes the term to Vernon.

An interesting find was a travel book with a section on Skagway, re its gold rush history. More than 100 "dressmakers" arrived in Skagway to service the prospectors by 1898 and set up shop in small buildings or "cribs." One of these, on French Alley or Paradise Alley was called House of Negotiable Affections. It is now a curio shop.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Harry Lorayne » August 30th, 2012, 9:30 am

Boy, boy where have you guys been? My Ten-Card Poker Deal, originally published in Deck-Sterity (1967), re-written, updated, etc., in LORAYNE, THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, VOL. 1. HL.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Harry Lorayne » August 30th, 2012, 9:47 am

I published another, different, version called A Much Better Chance. Look it up. HL.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Ted M » August 30th, 2012, 12:23 pm

Here's a 59-entry bibliography for the Ten Card Poker Deal effect:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/sear ... st=6626060

The same thread contains a post by Bob Farmer saying he's asked Michael Weber for permission to include his version (listed only as a blank stub in Lawrence O's bibliography) in his forthcoming book, The Bammo Ten Card Deal Dossier.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Bob Farmer » August 30th, 2012, 5:49 pm

If I ever publish my book on this, I have many more than 50 entries. Harry's routine is really good. I have also worked out Blackjack versions.

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Ted M » August 30th, 2012, 9:03 pm

How can we encourage you to publish the book?

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Leonard Hevia » August 31st, 2012, 8:06 pm

How about Jay's presentation for the 10 Card Poker Deal? I've never read anything like it in Nelms:

"Are you going to play? Are you going to put the money on the table? No?

GET OUT OF HERE!!! GO!!! RIGHT NOW!!!"

"FIND ME SOMEBODY WHO IS WILLING TO PLAY!!! RIGHT NOW!!!"

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Re: Ricky Jay in NYC

Postby Dustin Stinett » August 31st, 2012, 8:10 pm

Actually I think it's an example of "high art."


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