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Postby Magic Newswire » 08/25/12 10:30 AM

A new film on Ricky Jay will premier at the 50th annual NY Film Festival on October 4th at 6:30. Find out more and watch an older BBC documentary on Ricky here: http://bit.ly/JayFF
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Postby Michael Kamen » 08/25/12 01:12 PM

Wow -- that was a good documentary!
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Postby Magic Newswire » 08/25/12 01:30 PM

Umm.. I didn't put any ads in that post. If an admin will kindly remove them. Thx
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/25/12 02:05 PM

We're working on it.
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Postby Magic Newswire » 08/25/12 02:16 PM

Whew ... Ok.. It isn't me. Thats a pain RK
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/25/12 02:43 PM

You don't know pain.
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Postby Steve Bryant » 08/25/12 03:33 PM

Excellent video! First time I've heard Ricky sing.
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Postby Bill Mullins » 08/25/12 06:24 PM

And a fine singing voice it is.
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Postby AJM » 08/25/12 06:37 PM

I hope it's better than his speaking voice....
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/25/12 08:03 PM

Watching the documentary I was struck by how good Ricky's card technique used to be.
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Postby Ted M » 08/25/12 08:50 PM

Ricky Jay did seances?!
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Postby Pete Biro » 08/28/12 03:03 AM

Used to be????
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Postby kevinm » 08/28/12 03:51 PM

Maybe a midnight, surprise showing at the Genii convention?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/28/12 05:20 PM

I don't think so.
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Postby MaxNY » 08/28/12 09:49 PM

Wow! 2 questions. 1. When was the shot? 1987? 2. What Huntington Library, Huntington, NY?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/28/12 09:54 PM

The Huntington Library is located in California.
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Postby Dustin Stinett » 08/28/12 11:28 PM

Near Pasadena (City of San Marino), it is a must-see place if you enjoy fine art, beautiful gardens, and of course antiquarian books (though there is no touchie-feelie of those allowed unless you are a qualified scholar).

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Postby MaxNY » 08/29/12 12:15 AM

...and that ladder that changes into a chair, How cool was that?

I'm not a card guy, never wanted to be, (vitiligo: the unwanted mis-direction)...but I was stunned by the ten card poker stuff at the end. Without tipping here, can any card guys say that this is possible? Care to point me to a proper perspective?

and...lastly..."He was promised a woman of negotiable affections for the night."
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/29/12 12:40 AM

It's called a Franklin Chair, and was invented by Benjamin Franklin.

The "women of negotiable affections" line is from Persi Diaconis's patter for his handling of The Hotel Mystery.
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Postby Max Maven » 08/29/12 04:50 AM

Persi may have used the phrase in a specific routine, but it goes back much further.
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Postby Bill Mullins » 08/29/12 10:24 AM

Bob Orben, quoting Dai Vernon, gives credit to Judson Cole for the phrase in Genii, 9/53:

Fred Allen and [Judson] Cole were having lunch together and Allen was concerned over a bit for his radio show. He had to describe a young lady of easy virtue and wanted to do it in a humorous way. Jud thought a moment, then said: "Why not call her a girl with negotiable affections?"


However, a 9/26/1937 review in the Washington Post of the book Harbor Nights by Harvy Klemmer uses the phrase, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were to be found in Klemmer's book.
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Postby Dustin Stinett » 08/29/12 11:56 AM

I cannot recall why I think this, but it seems to me that it goes back to Mark Twain.
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Postby Bill Mullins » 08/29/12 06:18 PM

Twain gets credit for a lot of stuff he never said (and I say that with all the authority that comes from being a contributor to Fred Shapiro's The Yale Book of Quotations; i.e., not very much.)
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Postby MaxNY » 08/29/12 09:24 PM

It probably goes back to the times of the earliest know profession.
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Postby Brad Jeffers » 08/30/12 04:00 AM

MaxNY wrote:Wow! When was the shot? 1987?


MCMXCV (1995)


MaxNY wrote: I was stunned by the ten card poker stuff at the end. Without tipping here, can any card guys say that this is possible? Care to point me to a proper perspective?


Different versions of the ten-card poker deal can be found in many places. A good one is "Mexican Poker" from "Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table".
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Postby Steve Bryant » 08/30/12 08:49 AM

Re negotiable affections, if you go to Google books and enter the phrase in the search field, you will find many, many references to books that use it, most having nothing to do with magic. One of these did, Karl Johnson's The Magician and the Card Sharp, in which he attributes the term to Vernon.

An interesting find was a travel book with a section on Skagway, re its gold rush history. More than 100 "dressmakers" arrived in Skagway to service the prospectors by 1898 and set up shop in small buildings or "cribs." One of these, on French Alley or Paradise Alley was called House of Negotiable Affections. It is now a curio shop.
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Postby Harry Lorayne » 08/30/12 09:30 AM

Boy, boy where have you guys been? My Ten-Card Poker Deal, originally published in Deck-Sterity (1967), re-written, updated, etc., in LORAYNE, THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, VOL. 1. HL.
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Postby Harry Lorayne » 08/30/12 09:47 AM

I published another, different, version called A Much Better Chance. Look it up. HL.
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Postby Ted M » 08/30/12 12:23 PM

Here's a 59-entry bibliography for the Ten Card Poker Deal effect:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/sear ... st=6626060

The same thread contains a post by Bob Farmer saying he's asked Michael Weber for permission to include his version (listed only as a blank stub in Lawrence O's bibliography) in his forthcoming book, The Bammo Ten Card Deal Dossier.
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Postby Bob Farmer » 08/30/12 05:49 PM

If I ever publish my book on this, I have many more than 50 entries. Harry's routine is really good. I have also worked out Blackjack versions.
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Postby Ted M » 08/30/12 09:03 PM

How can we encourage you to publish the book?
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Postby Leonard Hevia » 08/31/12 08:06 PM

How about Jay's presentation for the 10 Card Poker Deal? I've never read anything like it in Nelms:

"Are you going to play? Are you going to put the money on the table? No?

GET OUT OF HERE!!! GO!!! RIGHT NOW!!!"

"FIND ME SOMEBODY WHO IS WILLING TO PLAY!!! RIGHT NOW!!!"
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Postby Dustin Stinett » 08/31/12 08:10 PM

Actually I think it's an example of "high art."
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