Alternatives for Marlo's Quick 3-Way sequence

Discuss your favorite close-up tricks and methods.

Postby erdnasephile » 08/18/12 11:11 AM

All:
I'm working out a routine and need to show 3 different cards as being identical to the bottom card of the packet.

Marlo's classic Quick 3-Way sequence would work here, but I don't care for the V/C/A alignment move. Also, I'd like to avoid Flustration, Rhumba, etc. because I feel those work best as convincers.

I've found Gordon Bruce's Duplicount and RP Wilson's Tres Ariba count which can accomplish this (albeit with some adjustment of the card positions).

I was wondering if someone could point me towards some other published alternatives please.

Many thanks!
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Postby Joe Pecore » 08/18/12 11:23 AM

How about Boris Wild's KISS Count or a diminishing lift sequence (Aaron Fisher has one in the Paper Engine or the one performed by Denis Behr at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIAmqw1SZJw)
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/18/12 11:54 AM

Thanks, Joe: going through my file of Apocalypse as we speak. :)

Anyone have a copy of the pamphlet that contains the Winkler Switch by Gerd Winkler for sale? I'd like to purchase it to study the switch.

Alternatively, does anyone have any contact information for Mr. Winkler please? (The only thing I've been able to find of Mr. Winkler's is a rather disturbing card trick in Concertos for Pasteboard).
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Postby Bill Duncan » 08/18/12 10:34 PM

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 08/19/12 12:24 AM

Is your audience very close or do you have enough room to use parlor type card handling?
Also, are the cards going anywhere* as you display them?
(if you have three cards ... realistic expectations are that you simply fan them and turn over the fan)
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/19/12 03:01 AM

Bill: Did not receive the PM--sent you a message.

Philippe: Thanks--will check it out.
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/19/12 03:27 AM

Jonathan Townsend wrote:Is your audience very close or do you have enough room to use parlor type card handling?
Also, are the cards going anywhere* as you display them?
(if you have three cards ... realistic expectations are that you simply fan them and turn over the fan)


It's close up in a monte/wild card type routine. Table will be present.
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Postby Max Maven » 08/19/12 03:30 AM

"Slide Three-Way" in Majorminor (1983) or in Racherbaumer's Counthesaurus (2004).
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/19/12 02:23 PM

Thank you, Mr. Maven--I'll check it out!
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/19/12 11:44 PM

I've published versions in CardMagic and other places, and Jim Swain has a very good version in one of the issues Richard's Almanac.
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Postby Denis Behr » 08/20/12 05:31 AM

The items Richard mentions can be found rather easily in this list with various All-Alike-Display sequences: http://archive.denisbehr.de/show.php?cat=706
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/20/12 08:25 AM

Wow! Thank you so much, Denis and Richard! Time to get busy... :)
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/20/12 10:46 AM

I also have half a dozen completely different handlings that will be in the Jennings books.
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/20/12 11:27 AM

Cool!

(I've begun checking out the references, and it's always seems that the rhythm and the penultimate card is what separates out the practical from the pretenders.)
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/20/12 12:06 PM

One of the Jennings handlings, unpublished but was supposed to have been in a second Jennings issue of Genii when it was still under the Larsens, is VERY good. Not easy, but very good.
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Postby Max Maven » 08/21/12 06:13 AM

Richard, you've reminded me of an amusing anecdote I hadn't thought of in years.

One night at the Magic Castle, I ran into Larry Jennings, and he said, "I've come up with a thing based on Marlo's 'Quick Three-Way' that I think looks pretty good." He proceeded to do the "Slide Three-Way" (four-card handling), exactly as I had written it up for the book Majorminor. I knew it was an independent invention, because the booklet had been published less than a week before! He was rather crestfallen, but clearly that was not the only effort he'd put into exploring the overall idea.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/21/12 10:41 AM

That's funny, Max. "Crestfallen" is the perfect word to describe Larry's reaction he discovered he'd reinvented something.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 08/21/12 12:14 PM

How many cards do you actually have in hand (ie any extras) and if you have more than the amount you say are any of them dupes? Even just a top change done between the display and tabling of a card can get the job done. With an extra in hand you can drop the last card and then pick it up for a clean display from the table.

Yeah I know that's really basic stuff.

Kostya Kamlat (sp sorry) had an impressive turnover sequence in his work on the spread cull.
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/23/12 10:50 PM

JT:

3 Cards in the hand. Show them all individually as the same card. (G. Bruce's Duplicount is a lot like serial top changes)

Was the Kimlat move on one of his DVD?
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Postby AnthonyBrahams » 08/24/12 02:05 PM

Slydini's handling, using push-offs, is very neat and easier to perform than other methods.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 08/24/12 02:37 PM

AnthonyBrahams wrote:Slydini's handling, using push-offs, is very neat and easier to perform than other methods.


He showed me something along those lines in Tannnen's. I was not sure that approach was in print or open for discussion. Pushoffs and holding the card(s) face out to the audience for display.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/24/12 03:12 PM

Even if it isn't in print, we SHOULD explain it here so everyone can benefit from it.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 08/24/12 03:25 PM

Okay, here's what I recall:
The key is that you are going to push a card to the side with your thumb and then pick it up to show its face, then replace it on top of the packet before displacing it to the bottom of the packet.
You shold be a step back from your audience as the displays are faceOut rather than turnovers - but turnovers could work too.
The packet starts face down in your left hand. The show card starts on top, two others underneath.
Push the top card off to the side with your thumb.
Then pick up the top card from that position.
Show its face.
Replace on top of the packet.
Push off two cards as one and "put that on the bottom".
Push off two cards and then pick them up as one apparently the same way as you did the first card.
Show the face card of the double to the audience.
Replace it (them) on top of the packet.
Push off the top card and "put that on the bottom".
Push off the top card and display to the audience.
There are moments when it might startle wise-acres to snap a single card during the sequence.
Hope this helps,
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/24/12 03:35 PM

John, thanks very much for explaining that. It's about as natural as one could hope for!
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Postby David Ben » 08/24/12 03:51 PM

Herb Zarrow had a lovely handling that dealt with this which he called "The Worraz Move" (Zarrow: A Lifetime of Magic, page 326). There, I wrote "Except for a technique devised by Eddy Taytelbaum, Herb found most techniques for showing a small number of cards as one wanting. It motivated him, however, to develop the following sleight." I then describe Herb's handling. I do not recall, unfortunately, the Taytelbaum handling. Herb's, however, is very good.
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/24/12 05:50 PM

Jon: That's terrific--thanks so much! I like the sequence a lot--and want to kick myself, as it's closely related to a sequence I've performed a zillion times: "A 'Brown' Version of the Three Card Trick"--Effect No. 2 (The Card Magic of Edward G. Brown, pg 52). It's also related to "Thin Ambitions" (Daryl's Ambitious Card Omnibus, pg 24). I'm suspect there are other antecedents.

David: thank you for the Zarrow reference--off to the bookshelf I go! (Perhaps the Taytelbaum handling Mr. Zarrow liked was the Taytelbaum reference Denis cited? ("Flustered" Apocalypse, pg 778?)
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Postby r paul wilson » 08/24/12 06:03 PM

I published the "Tres Ariba" count in 1996 in the original "Gypsy Monte" routine.

I noted that it was so simple and direct that it had surely been done before.

Jon just described the same handling and I'm delighted to finally know the originator.

Thanks JT

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Postby Edwin Corrie » 08/24/12 07:43 PM

erdnasephile wrote:Anyone have a copy of the pamphlet that contains the Winkler Switch by Gerd Winkler for sale? I'd like to purchase it to study the switch.


It's in his book "Top Twenties" published by Zauberzentrale Mnchen (1989). They don't seem to have it any more on their website, but it can be found secondhand. Only available in German though.
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Postby Denis Behr » 08/25/12 06:05 AM

erdnasephile wrote:Anyone have a copy of the pamphlet that contains the Winkler Switch by Gerd Winkler for sale? I'd like to purchase it to study the switch.

Did you get the reference from here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIAmqw1SZJw
I don't think it's published elsewhere than in the German pamphlet "German Card Top Twenties".
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Postby erdnasephile » 08/26/12 10:17 PM

Thanks for the information Edwin and Denis--I'll keep looking.

Counthesaurus arrived in the mail: Max's solution has a nice uniformity of action, and a rather pleasing rentention of vision-type aspect to it. It does require some neatness of handling, but I like it very much.
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