Music and sound effects

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Music and sound effects

Postby Umpa Duze » June 12th, 2012, 1:49 am

Hi All,
For the past couple of years I have been trying to integrate music and sound effects into my school shows. I have tried a number of technological solutions, but find using the remotes, checking the track numbers and timing the sound effects to interrupt the flow of the show. At one point I tried timing a section of the show with sound effects, but never quite hit the marks as I wanted them. I find myself caught up in the interactions with the kids.

I wonder if there are any Genii members who have successfully built sound into their performances for children. I am not looking for background music, but trying to emphasize various parts of the performance through sound. I am interested in your experiences with this and hope you have some suggestions that will help me be more successful.

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Umpa

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby Brad Henderson » June 12th, 2012, 12:21 pm

Icue2 is my choice. But no longer commercially available.

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby Jeff Haas » June 12th, 2012, 8:42 pm

Umpa, it sounds like you're trying to do too much at once. If you're doing a one-man show and trying to be spontaneous with kids, go for simpler uses of music. Get some helpers up, set up the routine, and then trigger the music track as the trick takes off.

I'd also suggest that you don't try to create Lance Burton-style routines, where everything is precisely timed to sound cues. Instead, pick tracks that will create an atmosphere or mood, and have enough time in them so you can improvise without worrying about hitting specific marks or finishing exactly on time. It's also OK to speak over the music instead of suddenly becoming a silent show.

It can be effective to use randomly-triggered sound effects to enhance a routine - take a look at this clip for "Knot Funny" by Jef Eaton. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzCrADyEtoM But also note that his wife is doing all the sound cues from the podium.

Regarding the various technological solutions...I'm the guy who put up the web site explaining how to trigger cues on a laptop with Winamp, so I know something about this. http://remotelaptop.tripod.com/ (By the way, that site is now 12 years old. It pre-dates the iPod.)

Laptop vs. iPod vs. MP3-Tech vs. various defunct systems...they almost all work fine, but some are more fiddly than others. For the type of show you're doing, I think "simpler is better" in terms of audio usage. Just having audio tracks at various points is enough; I've found that routines that add too many can come off as gimmicky unless carefully written.

Hope this is helpful. Let me know if you have more questions.

Jeff

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby Dave V » June 13th, 2012, 11:46 am

I still find it interesting that magicians feel they must have a "one man show."

Sometimes you just have to have a team behind you. You do the magic, let someone else do the rest.
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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby mrgoat » June 13th, 2012, 12:48 pm

Dave V wrote:I still find it interesting that magicians feel they must have a "one man show."


I guess some people want to keep all their fee, rather than share it with a tech crew.

David Kaplan lectured at International a few years ago and he had (iirc) a reed switch in his shoes (I think he brought his heels together to trigger it). Maybe the OP could look at that, with an iPad in a case/offstage so reading what track is on etc would be easy. People are already using them as teleprompters, so...

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby Umpa Duze » June 15th, 2012, 3:30 am

Hi All,
Thanks for your thoughts and advice. I think Jeff has nailed the problem. I am trying to squeeze in one more element to improve the show (although the image of me doing a Lance Burton impersonation to music is too disturbing to consider). I do a one man show with a theme for our local schools as part of my work as an associate professor of Education. It is a lot to ask for someone to volunteer with me regularly enough to make the team thing work.

The knot Funny clip does embody part of what I am trying to do with sound. Sound effects can really cement an idea in the minds of the kids so it becomes easier to think about and remember.

There is also an ending to the show that would be greatly enhanced by being presented with music.

I guess what I was wondering is whether there are any tools that reduce the demands on the performer significantly from the Sound Man type Technology.

Jeff, I was interested in your comments about using a laptop controller. Right now I am using a presentation mouse and PowerPoint with embedded sound to run the sound effects. This has an advantage in that the screen is large enough to be seen easily and programming is very user friendly.

Thanks again, for your thoughts.
Cheers,
Umpa Duze

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby Jeff Haas » June 18th, 2012, 2:06 am

Umpa, I think that using Winamp to play back sounds from a laptop is probably better than setting up a Powerpoint with embedded sounds, because Winamp is designed for playing back music. It's also very easy to set up a new playlist, and you can make the font any size you want, so you can see it easily. But if Powerpoint is working for you then there's no real reason to switch.

And props to you for knowing that you shouldn't do a Lance Burton impersonation!

Jeff

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Re: Music and sound effects

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Re: Music and sound effects

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby Jeff Haas » July 17th, 2012, 4:51 pm

Carl's app is a great solution if you have an iPhone or iPad.

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby Gordon Meyer » July 18th, 2012, 10:46 am

If all you need is a fool proof cue sheet for another person to use, a while ago I wrote up how to do that at Jeff McBride's website. It's not for a one-man show, but it's simple and exploits a little-known built-in feature of some iPod models. http://www.secretartjournal.com/archives/331

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby mrgoat » July 18th, 2012, 11:44 am

Gordon Meyer wrote:If all you need is a fool proof cue sheet for another person to use


a) nothing is fool proof
b) you then need to pay another person

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby carlandrews » August 13th, 2012, 2:21 am

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Re: Music and sound effects

Postby Ray Eden » August 13th, 2012, 3:42 am

The system that David Kaplin uses is called MediaStar (http://www.mylovelyassistant.com/reviews/view/2571). He was here in Finland two weekends ago, and I was salivating over the system. He uses a magnetic remote at his ankles as well as a remote in his pocket. It ain't cheap though.


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