Ripped & Fryed - source?

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Postby Ross Welford » 04/16/12 02:14 PM

I know it's in the TA Box Set, but I don't fancy paying that much. Is it available anywhere else?

I find that even my usual fallback in such circumstances - watching 11 year-olds butcher a trick on YouTube - has failed to reveal enough for me to piece it together (as it were).

Here is the trick beautifully performed by its inventor, and by Wayne Houchin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gACD0tZ7 ... re=related

Can someone who knows the trick tell me if it can REALLY be as clean as the second performance? There IS an edit in there, but I cannot see that it would help...
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Postby Scott M. » 04/16/12 02:39 PM

Yes, it's that clean and no, I don't think you'll be able to reverse engineer it. It's extremely clever and for me falls into one of those categories where the secret is really better than the trick. Which is not to say that it's not good, because it is -- it's just that the method is very, very, very clever. I spent an evening knocking around with it and couldn't approach getting it as good as Wayne and Charlie do. I think it looks easier to do than it actually is.
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Postby El Mystico » 04/16/12 03:08 PM

You might want to try to get hold of David Britland's Tearing a Lady in Two first.
A lot cheaper, and is what the Fry effect was based on.
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Postby Ross Welford » 04/16/12 04:47 PM

Thanks for the tips. I saw it and told myself, "I'm gonna learn that no matter how hard it is."

(I've said that before, though.)

It has the perfect reason to tear and restore a card (mentioned in another thread below, IIRC)
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 04/16/12 04:54 PM

Ross Welford wrote:I know it's in the TA Box Set, but I don't fancy paying that much. Is it available anywhere else?...


Charlie Frye?
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Postby Ross Welford » 04/16/12 06:05 PM

Gotta love lybrary.com who have a copy of the Britland MS for a paltry USD6! Man that's clever and Charlie Frye's refinements even more so.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 04/16/12 06:14 PM

What a great addition to a Card Warp pack for workers. :)
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/17/12 07:16 AM

It will b in my new book "The Cardwarp Tour" due hopefully at the Genii Convention in October.

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Postby Ross Welford » 04/17/12 10:49 AM

Jeff: do you mean David Britland's version or "Ripped & Fryed"?

(Having now played with "Tearing A Lady In Two", I think it's great, and pretty do-able with a little practice. I am, however, only very slightly closer to working out Charlie Frye's version which has ironed out a major discrepancy and added some beautiful touches which elevate it to genius level.}
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/17/12 11:25 AM

Charlie Fryes version that is meant to work with Cardwarp is called Warped and Fryed and this is the one which will be in the book.

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Postby Steve Bryant » 04/17/12 11:28 AM

The best part is that Charlie Frye himself will be at the Genii bash.
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Postby Ross Welford » 04/17/12 01:08 PM

SOunds like a good book. I remember someone years ago on alt.magic (whatever happened to that?!) trying to put together a collection of Card Warp variations. Perhaps it was you? Anyway - good luck with it, I'll buy one!
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/17/12 01:42 PM

Yes that was me, it been about 5 years in the making, LOL!

This is the cover of my new book, LMK what you think.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/17/12 01:53 PM

Not the classy cover I would expect from a book about one of the classics of magic.
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Postby Chris Aguilar » 04/17/12 02:57 PM

That's a really fun/clever cover. Thumbs up.
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Postby Pete McCabe » 04/17/12 03:29 PM

It reminds me of the Smoke and Mirrors comic.
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Postby Joe Mckay » 04/17/12 05:41 PM

I love 'Ripped and Fryed'.

So - Jeff? - are you saying that Charlie Frye has a slightly different handling which applies it to Card Warp instead?

Cool! Can't wait for the book...

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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/17/12 09:57 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:Not the classy cover I would expect from a book about one of the classics of magic.


Richard, no you can't publish this book.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/17/12 11:55 PM

I already knew that.
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Postby mrgoat » 04/18/12 03:44 AM

Jeff Pierce Magic wrote:Yes that was me, it been about 5 years in the making, LOL!

This is the cover of my new book, LMK what you think.

Jeff

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9688063/coveridea.jpg

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It's not bad for an intern!

Doesn't look like a professional book though. Looks self published.
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/18/12 06:56 AM

mrgoat wrote:
Jeff Pierce Magic wrote:Yes that was me, it been about 5 years in the making, LOL!

This is the cover of my new book, LMK what you think.

Jeff

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9688063/coveridea.jpg

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It's not bad for an intern!

Doesn't look like a professional book though. Looks self published.


Wow, not sure if this is a joke or not but it sure is mean. Mr. Goat critisism is always welcome, feel free to actually add some.

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Postby mrgoat » 04/18/12 07:30 AM

Jeff Pierce Magic wrote:Wow, not sure if this is a joke or not but it sure is mean. Mr. Goat critisism is always welcome, feel free to actually add some.

Jeff


Don't ask for criticism if you then moan about it if you don't like it Mr Pierce!

If you want more details:

1) It looks like you did it yourself.

2) You use 3 different fonts, just because you CAN use multiple fonts, doesn't mean you should

3) The illustration (added since last night) is bad, looks like it was taken from something else and had the folded card crudely photoshopped in

4) The additions since last night make no sense. 3 people holding a zippo and one holding a folded card. Why? I know it is meant to be like a big gig, but why would someone hold up a card at a gig?

5) The gradient yellow in the sign make it look like it is just a badly compressed gif.

I hope you didn't pay anyone for it. It's OK for an amateur.

I'll have a think and come up with what I consider better ideas later.
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Postby mrgoat » 04/18/12 08:29 AM

Just to give you some ideas of what good looks like

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Postby Steve Bryant » 04/18/12 08:45 AM

The Non-Designer's Design Book by Robin Williams (not the comic) is an excellent book on the subject.
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Postby Chris Aguilar » 04/18/12 09:20 AM

Goat/Damian's expert (and rather rudely conveyed and not particularly constructive) opinion notwithstanding, I still think the cover is quite nice.
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Postby mrgoat » 04/18/12 09:32 AM

Chris Aguilar wrote:Goat/Damian's expert (and rather rudely conveyed and not particularly constructive) opinion notwithstanding, I still think the cover is quite nice.


What do you like about it? Saying it's "nice" isn't very constructive and is banal to the point of useless.

I said, in detail, what I thought made it look cheap and home made, then I linked to some good designs so he knows what experts think.

Your post seems almost worthless.
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/18/12 10:05 AM

mrgoat wrote:
Jeff Pierce Magic wrote:Wow, not sure if this is a joke or not but it sure is mean. Mr. Goat critisism is always welcome, feel free to actually add some.

Jeff


Don't ask for criticism if you then moan about it if you don't like it Mr Pierce!

If you want more details:

1) It looks like you did it yourself.

2) You use 3 different fonts, just because you CAN use multiple fonts, doesn't mean you should

3) The illustration (added since last night) is bad, looks like it was taken from something else and had the folded card crudely photoshopped in

4) The additions since last night make no sense. 3 people holding a zippo and one holding a folded card. Why? I know it is meant to be like a big gig, but why would someone hold up a card at a gig?

5) The gradient yellow in the sign make it look like it is just a badly compressed gif.

I hope you didn't pay anyone for it. It's OK for an amateur. Sort of thing I would imagine seeing on a Glenn Bishop lecture note.

I'll have a think and come up with what I consider better ideas later.


Mr. Goat, Richard's comment was that it was not deserving of the classic effect of Cardwarp, that is a useful criticism, why would you think I'd moan about yours. I did ask for criticism and you gave it, so thank you for your comments. I'll will think about your comments and take them for what they are worth. If you don't like it I can respect that, but no need to be an [censored] about it, and I refer to the Glenn Bishop comment in particular.

BTW, while not a professional illustrator for print this is not my first book, DVD or film. I am a professional in the TV industry and have been for 30 years. I spent 20 years working for FOX and one of my duties among other things was as a graphic designer creating image packages for stations.

I'm curious as to what your background is. Picking out book covers on the internet isn't exactly my idea of better ideas, although I do like the last cover.

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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/18/12 10:06 AM

Steve and Edward, thank you for your comments, that were constructive.
Edward I really enjoyed that link to TED, very informative.
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Postby Chris Aguilar » 04/18/12 10:23 AM

mrgoat wrote:
Chris Aguilar wrote:Goat/Damian's expert (and rather rudely conveyed and not particularly constructive) opinion notwithstanding, I still think the cover is quite nice.


What do you like about it? Saying it's "nice" isn't very constructive and is banal to the point of useless.

Your "expert" opinion doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the cover design. It's tough to take your "constructive" criticism seriously when you insist upon imparting it in the most unnecessarily rude fashion (A Glenn Bishop comparison? Really?)

I wasn't aware that simply opining that I like something required justification of that opinion to the satisfaction of Damian (Goat) Jennings.

I said, in detail, what I thought made it look cheap and home made, then I linked to some good designs so he knows what experts think.

I think that most of the designs you linked to are pretty ugly. I certainly hope that Jeff doesn't go in that direction.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 04/18/12 11:26 AM

Taking a cue from the TED talk and the Michael Crichton story- how about sending covers to Roy Walton till you get that kind of response?

What's the effect?
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/18/12 11:36 AM

Roy loves the cover.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 04/18/12 11:55 AM

There you go- it speaks to the "author" of the effect so maybe it's right for the readership as well.
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/18/12 01:04 PM

Jonathan I don't know about you but I don't buy a book solely for its cover, but for what's inside. Magic book covers have been historically on the boring side.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/18/12 02:30 PM

Unlike in the real world, the cover of a magic book is not related to sales. In the real world, a good book cover will help sell the book, while a poor book cover will hinder sales.

In our world, magicians don't give a crap, as evidenced by the lousy covers on so many books over the past 100 years.

Jeff asked for opinions, and he got them. I don't like the cover; Goat doesn't like the cover. I deleted Goat's Glenn Bishop comment because it needlessly weakened his argument. His comments are valid, no matter how offensively he sometimes makes them.

I think a dark photo of people holding up lighters at a sporting event is a complete non-sequitor for a book about Card Warp. The trick is a magical and intellectual exercise, not a sporting event or game.

The book covers that Goat has displayed here are all prime examples of commercial graphic design and put the covers of most magic books to shame.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 04/18/12 02:30 PM

? you asked about your cover. I followed up on the theme from the TED talk.

Funny us having this chat here seeing as how we've been discussing items inside that book off and on almost since you announced the project. If the refolding swindle is already in the book - great - if not I'll get it working on its own schedule and try it out when circumstances permit.

Looking forward to enjoying your book when it comes out

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Postby El Mystico » 04/18/12 02:42 PM

mrgoat -

Wwhy would someone replace their head with a tyre? It makes no sense.
Why would someone pour a drink upside down, so the water flowed away from the glass? It makes no sense.
why would someone replace their eyes with a cog? It makes no sense.
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Postby Chris Aguilar » 04/18/12 03:00 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:I think a dark photo of people holding up lighters at a sporting event is a complete non-sequitor for a book about Card Warp. The trick is a magical and intellectual exercise, not a sporting event or game.

I can't imagine that anyone with an interest in this book wouldn't understand the cover. The cover fits neatly with the name of the book (i.e. "Tour") while clearly indicating the contents (i.e. "Card Warp".)

I prefer Jeff's cover to most of the samples that Damian (Goat) Jennings posted.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/18/12 03:02 PM

One: Art doesn't have to make sense.

Two: I have an interest in the book and the cover has no meaning to me.
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 04/18/12 03:05 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:Unlike in the real world, the cover of a magic book is not related to sales. In the real world, a good book cover will help sell the book, while a poor book cover will hinder sales.

In our world, magicians don't give a crap, as evidenced by the lousy covers on so many books over the past 100 years.

Jeff asked for opinions, and he got them. I don't like the cover; Goat doesn't like the cover. I deleted Goat's Glenn Bishop comment because it needlessly weakened his argument. His comments are valid, no matter how offensively he sometimes makes them.

I think a dark photo of people holding up lighters at a sporting event is a complete non-sequitor for a book about Card Warp. The trick is a magical and intellectual exercise, not a sporting event or game.

The book covers that Goat has displayed here are all prime examples of commercial graphic design and put the covers of most magic books to shame.


Richard I'm not the least bit upset over his comments, except the Bishop one. Everyone has their opinions. I guess I sometimes forget that we are magicians and for the most part we are just un-hip.

Let me explain to those who don't get it about the cover. First off it's an image from a rock concert, not a sporting event. To be more precise it's a take off on Van's Warped Tour, which is a music festival those youngsters like to go to. So, a non-sequitor, I don't agree at all, but maybe I'm just more hip than some,LOL! I and many others like it and think it's an imaginative idea for a cover. While the image is not 100% finished, I think the buying public will get it. It's supposed to look like it has a comic or graphic novel look to it.
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