Dice Magic Anyone?

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Postby Guest » 10/04/06 08:06 AM

I have an incredible fixation with dice magic. Currently, as part of my performing repertoire, I am carrying casino dice for dice stacking and Bob Sheets' "It's the Rules!", Daryl's "Dicey Dots", Tenyo's "Dice Vision", and Alan Wakeling's "Loaded Dice". Can anyone think of anything else I'm missing? Thanks!
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Postby Pete Biro » 10/04/06 09:38 AM

Look at the links I posted under deck switching to see some real dice magic.
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Postby Guest » 10/04/06 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Richard M. Mendez:
I have an incredible fixation with dice magic. Currently, as part of my performing repertoire, I am carrying casino dice for dice stacking and Bob Sheets' "It's the Rules!", Daryl's "Dicey Dots", Tenyo's "Dice Vision", and Alan Wakeling's "Loaded Dice". Can anyone think of anything else I'm missing? Thanks!
Doug Conn has some really nice dice magic in his book Tricks of My Trade by Paul Cummins
There is also a video of his trick Coincidice on his site:
www.dougconn.com

Elliot

edited to include video info
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Postby Guest » 10/14/06 08:55 PM

I enjoy dice magic...I use mini dice and a film roll container to do a dice stacking routine... its easy to carry around and appears much harder to do in specs perspectve than regular sized casino dice.I also do Paul Gertners dice to hat routine as well as coins across type routines ,but with dice instead of coins.Its fun to collect dice too... Ive found many styles and sizes that add to my already compulsive "magic stuff" collection!
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Postby Pete Biro » 10/14/06 09:54 PM

Check the new dice stack and loader set at www.porperoriginals.com
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Postby Guest » 10/15/06 12:09 AM

Frank Zak has a quick little bit with three dice reminiscent of "two in the hand one in the pocket." It's on his lecture notes DVD "On the Boards" or availabe separately as a single manuscript for $5. www.frankzakmagic.com
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Postby Guest » 10/15/06 03:08 AM

Gotta get a shout out for the most ambitious dice routine I've seen. Four red dice are in a purse. Four whites on the table. Each time you stack the dice on the table, one changes places with a red in the purse.

It's Barry Govan's routine, and you can find it, and a lot of other die-friendly stuff at theambitiouscard.com. (if that doesn't work, drop the "the")
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Postby Pete Biro » 10/15/06 11:25 AM

Camillo does one of the best dice stacking routines I have ever seen... I can't describe the changes, etc. but they are foolers.

Del Ray had some incredible gambling-themed stuff in his amazing close up act, well worth trying to find (there are underground tapes around).
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Postby Guest » 10/15/06 11:46 AM

Aldo Colombini has a 3-DVD set about Cards And Dice...

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Postby Geno Munari » 10/15/06 04:49 PM

I am working on several routines for the Chinese dice cup, known by many other names. Sure Shot etc. I think it is a great pocket effect that can be combined with many other dice effects.

Get this very inexpensive effect.

Anyone have any work on this email me.

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Postby Guest » 10/15/06 05:58 PM

1) Sacks Dice Routine (Bruce Elliot book) and all its current incarnations (Stewart Judah had a great routine in PallBearer's)...

2) Vernon Dice Climax (Vernon Book of Magic)

3) Charlie Miller routines for 2 in hand 1 in pocket (Magicana)

4) Audley Walsh Dice Tricks Pamphlet(Can't recall the name of the booklet, but it had some good things, including a trick called "The Patriotic Dice"...)

5) Marlo - "Shoot the Works"...

6) Senator Crandall - on "Dice Stacking" (Manuscript, with a cup and the dice)...

7) Jim Zee material on stacking...

8) Paul Green offers "Millers Dice" an effect by Charlie Miller...

How about a Matrix with dice (Stars of Magic, Bey's "Chink-a-Chink"routine, for instance).

There are lots of commercial effects for sale in the magic shops or at least there used to be:

1) Spots appear and disappear visually on a single black die (Lubor Fiedler if I remember correctly)- "Shock Die"???

2) a bunch of dice are stacked and they revolve with no apparent mechanism (Dancing Dice, Spooky Dice)

3) Irv Wiener - "Soft Dice" routine...

4) Heath's "Die-cyphering"...

5) Audley Walsh's "Crooked Dice" (A gag, really...)

Also effects by RW Hull ("Goofy Dice"), a Tannen effect with the dice penetrating a sealed glass jar, a prediction effect, a mindreading effect like color vision, miniature die box, color changing dice, linking dice(Leo Behnke,I think...), etc.

There are tons of individual things in magazines (Pallbearers had several great things!) and books that are not exclusively on dice - I have culled many of these for my files - this is just off the top of my head. I have a whole other file of dice effects and a couple boxes of dice tricks...

Milt Kort had a lot of work with dice, there is an Ali Bongo thing in one of Ganson's "Routined Manipulation" or "Art of Closeup Magic" series, can't recall which, Fechter had stuff worth looking for...

Keep reading, it's all out there, just waiting for you to find it!


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Postby Guest » 10/16/06 05:25 AM

Hello,

If you make a search with Dice on www.magicbooks.be you'll find more than 200 matches...

For Dice Stacking :

Edward Marlo, Shoot the works - A complete Manual of Dice Manipulation
Copyright 1943

Walsh, Audley V. Walshs Dice Dexterity, BT, 1953, Louis Tannen, 32

The Senator Crandall, How to Stack Dice
Copyright 1974 Clarke Crandall

Bernard's Lesson on Dice Stacking
Written and photographed by Lewis Ganson
1979

The Magic of Al Koran
Edited by Martin Breese
1983
Page 38 A Sense of Touch Dice Stacking

Kaufman, Richard: The New York Magic Symposium Close Up Stage Collection Two 1983
page 16 Penetrating Dice Stack (Paul Gertner): dice stacking with a magical effect. During stacking, the dice penetrate up through the cup one at a time. For the last die. the penetration reverses itself, and the three dice on top end up underneath

Apocalypse Vol 12 No 4 April 1989 Randy Wakeman Issue
page 1627 Stacked Impact: dice stacking

Ouellet, Gary: Close Up Illusions
1990
on page 253 Chapter 24: Rock & Roll Dice Stacking
on page 261 A Routine: a dice stacking routine

Apocalypse Vol 16 No 07 Jul 1993
page 2239 Twice Dice (Harold Cataquet): good color changing dice finish to a dice stacking routine

Apocalypse Vol 17 No 05 May 1994
page 2353 Danger Dice (Harold Cataquet): dice stacking routine using a clear glass. The glass cracks, two dice "crack" in half, and the 4 die are edge stacked using another glass.

Kaufman, Richard: Paul Gertner's Steel and Silver 1994
page 121 UpStacking--Dice stacking routine, dice stacked in familiar manner a few times, dice begin to penetrate upward through bottom of cup one at a time, eventually three dice on top of cup vanish and reappear inside cup.

Lancaster, Lou: Commercial Closeup Magic 1994
Dice Stacking: dice stacking with jumbo die climax

Racherbaumer, Jon: In a Class by Himself, The Legacy of Don Alan 1996
page 159 Sneakily Stacked in Your Favor: Dice stacking routine, uses one gimmicked die and cup cover (Video clips from un-named video)
page 166 How to Stack Dice: short lesson

Apocalypse Vol 20 No 04 Apr 1997
page 2780 Points In the Middle (Harold Cataquet): a dice vanishing and reappearing effect to use during dice stacking

Racherbaumer, Jon and Edward Marlo: Arcade Dreams, Marlo Without Cards 1997
page 111 A Brief History of Dice Stacking: a brief history
page 112 Primal Dice Stacking: the basics, and an outline of Tony Platt's routine

Lovell, Simon, Son of Simon Says, HBOSDJ, 2000, L&L Publishing, 212. See page 143.
Page 143 Coins, Dice and Grandfathers Beer!

Jay, Ricky, Dice: Deception, Fate & Rotten Luck, HBDJ, 2003, Quantuck Lane Press

The Dice & Purse
by Barry Govan
Dicribed by Murray Cooper
Edited by Jeff Busby

Hope this helps
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Postby Guest » 10/17/06 08:03 PM

There's also Paul Gertner's
'Triple Die-Lemma' in his book Steel and Silver.

It's also on the DVDs of the same name.

It's a fun routine.

Fernando Keops has a dice matrix
Daryl on the fooler dooler's DVDs has a couple nice ones as well.

Steve Forte has his protection video on dice and it's very interesting. my first glimpse of a butterfly cup. vol. 4
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Postby Guest » 10/18/06 07:20 AM

On Eccentricities Vol 1, Charlie Frye has a dice matrix that left me slack jawed...

the explanation was as entertaining as the trick.

Very clever.

Doc
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Postby Guest » 10/19/06 01:35 PM

In KORT, published by Stephen Minch's Hermetic Press, there are a number of Milt Kort's dice effects including a really sweet classic palm. Definitely worth checking out although I do not know if the book is still in print.

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Postby Guest » 10/19/06 03:18 PM

Anybody remembr the die/dice trick Manfred Thum

made where you took a 3" die and threw it on a

tray and it exploded into a bunch of small dice?

Mike
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Postby Danny Archer » 10/19/06 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Mike Walsh II:
Anybody remembr the die/dice trick Manfred Thum

made where you took a 3" die and threw it on a

tray and it exploded into a bunch of small dice?

Mike
I think that was called Dice Bomb ...

There is also a chop cup made for dice that I have somewhere ...
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Postby Geno Munari » 10/19/06 07:54 PM

Dice Bomb was a trick similar to the effect referenced in the earlier post. There was an effect that the die was thrown on a tray with a floral type background and then either vanished or mini dice appeared , etc.
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Postby cataquet » 11/18/06 05:34 PM

Many good references here (and there are many more), but one very good effect is missing: "Poker Pot". It's basically a Boston box for dice used primarily in dice through table (and other penetrations, eg thru silk) and dice matrix.
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Postby Guest » 11/26/06 04:18 PM

For something new, check out Gregg Webb's dice trick "Making Your Point."

Details can be found at http://feenx.net -- you can also read the following post on the Genii Forum:
http://geniimagazine.com/forum/cgi-bin/ ... 880#000000
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Postby Pete Biro » 11/26/06 11:24 PM

Poker Pot was a good one for sure. It was marketed by Ken Brooke.
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Postby Guest » 11/27/06 01:09 AM

Just thought of two more .I have a dice cup made

like a foo can. leather. I think it came from Don

Lawton or Ken Allen in the late 50's.Also a 2"

die that held a flashcube inside that when you

pressed on top would light op the die, I think

John Cornealous and called Flash Die...Mike
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Postby Guest » 11/27/06 07:25 AM

I recall an ad for a mechanical die stacking cup. Any leads on that?
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Postby Doug Brewer » 11/28/06 01:31 AM

My vote is for the Mark Leveridge routine called "Wild Dice". One of the few times I was actually stunned by such a simple plot . . .
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Postby Guest » 11/28/06 09:10 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Townsend:
I recall an ad for a mechanical die stacking cup. Any leads on that?
That ad has started to appear in the magazines. It's a kit from Joe Porper that includes dice, a stacking cup and a loader insert that will produce one die at a time. Total price is somewhere around $400.
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Postby Pete Biro » 11/28/06 10:44 AM

Porper's new Dice Cup does NOT automatically stack the dice. It is a new material used to make the cup, which I like a lot. The added bits include a loader that drops one die at a time to produce four dice, and a final load holder for a tall stack of coins (25 cent size). All new and original in principle and the usual high-quality craftsmanship.
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Postby Guest » 11/28/06 12:41 PM

Daryl's "Dice Chink-A-Chink" on the Fooler Dooler series is a wonderfully simple and effective routine based on the old "Chink-A-Chink", but done with dice.

It's actually my favorite Dice routine right now, and can be, as the title suggests, a real "fooler".

A dice cup and four dice, nothing gimmicked.
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Postby cataquet » 12/02/06 04:11 AM

A mechanical version?

Joe Torres (?) used to sell a chop cup that had a loose inner lining on half of the cup. You would pull the lining inwardly, creating a pocket. You could then drop the dice into this pocket and sack the dice. However, there was no noise as the dice didn't have room to move around.

I suspect the mechanical version would just contain a square tube inside. You'd pick the dice up one at a time (feeding them into the tube) and then just lift the cup.
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Postby Guest » 12/04/06 06:42 AM

Hi Everyone,

It surprised me to see that Die 'N' Dice from Alan Warner Magic is not mentioned.
It is a very nice routine with lots of comedy and twists.

you can here read the effect;

The performer claims that this box contains THREE COLOURED DICE. He removes the lid of the box and tips out THREE COLOURED DICE and ONE BLACK DIE! Looking rather confused about this, the performer apologizes, returns the three coloured dice to the box and places the black die in his pocket. With the lid back in position on the box, he again makes the claim that the box contains THREE COLOURED DICE; but once more, to his embarrassment, THREE COLOURED DICE and ONE BLACK DIE roll out of the box and onto the table. This move is repeated several times, on each occasion, the performer becoming more and more exasperated as, repeatedly, a rogue BLACK DIE rolls out of the box with the THREE COLOURED DICE. In desperation, the performer finally concedes defeat. He now says that the box contains THREE COLOURED DICE AND ONE BLACK DIE!

I have personaly changed the coloured dice in one colour (white) because I think this make the routine much stronger.

Richard
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Postby Guest » 12/04/06 08:58 AM

The Alan Warner effect has been discontinued, and rarely if ever shows up for sale.
Considering how few of a given effect Warner actually builds, I doubt many folks have seen this routine.

After winning the lottery I'd collect the entire output of Alan Warner and Mel Babcock.......but for now I'll keep dreaming!
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Postby Guest » 12/04/06 10:42 AM

Most of items from Alan Warner are discontinued yes but some items not.
So far as I know you can order still the effect (ok it is custom build then)
see here;
order item

click on order item and fill in the form.

Hope this helps.

Richard
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Postby Guest » 05/01/07 03:21 PM

Where can I buy Mark Leveridge Wild Dice?
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Postby Ian Kendall » 05/01/07 03:36 PM

http://www.markleveridge.co.uk/shopbask ... ts/wd.html

would be a good start.

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Postby Guest » 05/01/07 05:02 PM

Two more:

"Loaded" by Mike Weber, from "Richard's Almanac", issue 23/24--July/Augustt '84

Paul Harris (in "Las Vegas Close Up", I believe, and also in "Art of Astonishment" somewhere) had a quickie effect where dice end up fused together with super glue. He told the story of getting even with an obnoxious pit-boss...
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Postby Guest » 05/01/07 11:11 PM

If no one has mentioned Stephane Bourgoin\'s Dice Chop Cup, allow me. I've never used one of these, but I've seen them up close, and they're cool.
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Postby Guest » 05/02/07 11:48 AM

I really like Steve Dobson's Ivory Connection
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Postby David Acer » 05/02/07 11:58 AM

Meir Yedid showed me a dice routine by Sol Stone that he's putting out in about 10 days. It fooled me, then I mimed it for my cat and it fooled him too.
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 05/02/07 12:51 PM

Sol's routine is very nice -- I've seen him do it on a number of occasions. He mentioned several months ago that Meir was going to be putting it out. Glad to hear it's coming soon!

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Postby Bob Farmer » 05/02/07 01:02 PM

I performed KIRK'S KUP for years. It's a gaffed cup with a secret trap. Three dice, red , white and blue are shown, two tossed in the cup and one in the pocket.

The pocketed dice jumps back to the cup. This happens a couple of times -- then the three dice are thrown into the cup and when tossed out change into one giant die.

There's also DAvid Ben's 4-dice assembly in his book TRICKS.
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Postby neil.kelso » 05/02/07 02:46 PM

Another great routine is Andy Nyman\'s Diceman .

And it's based on a great book if you're looking for interesting dice plot-lines!

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