CRISS ANGEL ALTERCATION

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Postby Gary Kosnitzky » 02/09/12 01:48 PM

This was in the Las Vegas Review Journal today - 2/9/2012.

CRISS ANGEL ALTERCATION
An associate [Joe Monti] of Luxor headliner Criss Angel filed a police report Wednesday, alleging he was roughed up in the illusionist's office warehouse.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/-political-mad ... 98379.html
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Postby Q. Kumber » 02/09/12 02:16 PM

Inside scoop: Criss got really annoyed because there was no Wizard Product Review this week. They had been due to cover his magic kit and he wanted to find out if it was any good.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/09/12 02:20 PM

Joe was always very supportive of criss on the cafe, chastisizing others for expressing criticism. Apparently be has now learned what so many have learned before him. I'm sorry he was the victim of violence, but haven't we all known all along that criss angel will do absolute anything in order to serve criss angel. Criss angel's magic may be the fakery of camera tricks, but the scars he leaves on those he uses are undeniably real.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/09/12 03:54 PM

I've known Joe Safuto since we literally were kids--I put a great trick of his in CoinMagic. He always defended Criss, so I can't imagine what must have happened for Joe to have taken this type of action.
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Postby Donal Chayce » 02/09/12 04:49 PM

Joe is such an easy-going guy...he must've really been pushed (literally and metaphorically).
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/09/12 05:14 PM

We really can't state opinions on what might have physically taken place because we don't know. And I don't want to get sued. :)
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/09/12 05:57 PM

But we can say that Criss Angel is a piece of dog sh1t who cares only about himself and will use anyone or anything including the reputation of magic as a whole to serve his egotistical desire for attention and fame.

It's called vigorous epithet, it's legally protected.
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Postby Jim Maloney » 02/09/12 06:02 PM

Thought he doesn't name any names, this was posted on Joe's Facebook account:

Today my body and heart ache. Yesterday (2/8) someone I considered a very good friend verbally then PHYSICALLY attacked me. NO ONE should put up with violence in their life male or female. Move on. You're better than that!


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Postby MaxNY » 02/09/12 08:21 PM

Roid Rage
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/09/12 08:47 PM

There is no evidence that Criss Angel has taken steroids and is suffering from roid rage.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/09/12 10:25 PM

I don't know Rk, his magic kit explicity stated has 'small balls and parts'. I thought that was a known side effect n
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/09/12 10:49 PM

Ho, ho, ho. You just too funny.
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Postby Donal Chayce » 02/10/12 01:55 AM

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Postby Pepka » 02/10/12 02:28 AM

Richard Kaufman wrote:There is no evidence that Criss Angel has taken steroids and is suffering from roid rage.

I think he meant hemorrhoid rage.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/10/12 02:40 AM

Criss is a bad actor even when he's not acting.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/10/12 02:42 AM

An article attached to the recordings:

http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/normclar ... 56994.html

(soon the vultures will be posting these links as news)
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Postby Master Payne » 02/10/12 04:21 AM

Richard Kaufman wrote:There is no evidence that Criss Angel has taken steroids and is suffering from roid rage.


Quite true as no one has ever seen any evidence that would lead one to believe he was working under the influence of a performance enhancer :)
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Postby Q. Kumber » 02/10/12 06:00 AM

Don't see how anyone could call this being violently attacked or have any reason to call the police.
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Postby mrgoat » 02/10/12 06:09 AM

Richard Kaufman wrote:There is no evidence that Criss Angel has taken steroids and is suffering from roid rage.


There is evidence he is a massive [censored] though. In my opinion. Allegedly.
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Postby Gary Kosnitzky » 02/10/12 07:06 AM

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Postby John Archer » 02/10/12 10:56 AM

I met someone in Finland who liked him.
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Postby Roger M. » 02/10/12 11:03 AM

You know, I go to half a dozen different meetings at work every day of the week, and I have never had my pocket recorder set to record "just in case".

I tend to go "mmmm" when somebody just happens to have a recording handy to help make their case.

Not that CA isn't a dic_k, evidence seems to indicate that he probably is.......but I'd posit that this incident wasn't random, wasn't unexpected, and may have even been something resembling a set-up.

Two sides to the story.........as always.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/10/12 11:18 AM

Let's say a meeting isn't going well. Most of the time it's fine to just say "let's pick up that item tomorrow or our next meeting" and leave the matter there. There's something unusual happening when either party gets agitated.
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Postby IrishMagicNews » 02/10/12 11:38 AM

Extortion or PR stunt? That is the question.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/10/12 11:45 AM

IrishMagicNews wrote:Extortion or PR stunt? That is the question.


I hope that event was not planned as either.
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Postby Q. Kumber » 02/10/12 12:50 PM

"Well your honor, he asked me to leave the office a number of times. I didn't so he picked me up and put me outside. I can't believe he actually touched me, after all we've known each other for fifteen years. This was such an unexpected development in our relationship, I just had to go and broadcast it all over Vegas and tell the police. ... Oh ... the taping? That's a tip I got from David Penn."
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/11/12 05:11 AM

Luke Dancy (perhaps the one magician on Criss's team he has yet to abuse) has hinted that "there is more to the story than it seems."

http://www.thedailydeception.com/2012/0 ... oe-montie/
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Postby Gary Kosnitzky » 02/11/12 07:51 AM

Criss Angel denies allegations of fight with fired employee-

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/blogs/lux ... d-employe/
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Postby Loopback » 02/11/12 10:59 AM

Touched by an Angel indeed.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/11/12 12:36 PM

Brad, you should know that your statement, "perhaps the one magician on Criss's team he has yet to abuse" might be considered libel. You need concrete proof that every magician who has ever worked with Criss--EVERY magician--has been abused in order to make that statement in public. While you may have heard lots of anecdotal stories, you don't have concrete proof unless you've paid to have depositions taken from every magician who has ever worked with Criss Angel.

I'm not defending Criss Angel (believe me when I tell you that I have no reason), just pointing out that you should be careful in what you write on a public forum.

As to whether this is a publicity ploy ... it might be, but the tape doesn't sound like it. And what would be the point of negative publicity for BOTH parties?

As to why Joe was carrying a recording device in his pocket ... you'll have to ask him. In some states it's illegal to record someone's conversation without their consent, so if that's the case in Nevada, then Joe might have broken the law in making the recording (assuming Criss didn't consent--and the only reason he might have consented is if it was a publicity ploy). People who have had problems with others in the past sometimes do carry a recording device so the next time they have evidence of whatever misdeed they feel has occurred.

Luke Dancy's comment, as reported on that weird website The Daily Deception, "We have been in contact with Luke Dancy who is Joe Montis manager under Criss angel and he has informed us that, the news about this is all FALSE!" is really strange. Whose manager is he? Does he work for Criss or Joe?

And then Robin Leach writes this, which Kosnitzky linked to above in the Las Vegas Weekly: "Ken Woloson, Crisss attorney, told Vegas DeLuxe, 'Criss Angel was in the process of firing Joe on Wednesday when Safuto became abusive, and Criss asked him to leave.' His decision to fire Joe was in response to repeated complaints from co-workers and other magicians about Joes abusive and violent behavior and general ineptitude."

I've known Joe Safuto since he was 14 years old, and I have a hard time imagining him as "abusive and violent."

As to why the police did not arrest Criss Angel for battery, we'll find out later when the police report is made public. However, you can't just point to someone and claim they battered you and expect an arrest. I would assume that Joe had no visible evidence of battery (i.e., no black eye, no bloody lip, or whatever might constitute evidence that he was struck within the last few hours).

I guess we'll be hearing more in the coming days.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/11/12 01:13 PM

Working with criss angel and realizing his 'vision' is, by definition, abuse. I can't imagine how any conscientious magician would experience it otherwise. I cant imagine not being scarred from that experience Not as bad as sitting through Believe, but I imagine it must be close.

Luke must be strong. I predict, in time, he will have his scars too.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/11/12 02:16 PM

This statement "Working with criss angel and realizing his 'vision' is, by definition, abuse" is nonsense.
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Postby Pete McCabe » 02/11/12 02:25 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:As to why Joe was carrying a recording device in his pocket ... you'll have to ask him.


Or you could ask everyone who owns a cell phone, virtually all of which include some voice record function.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/11/12 02:35 PM

Oh yeah, I'm a bit of a Luddite and never thought about that.

At least I haven't butt-dialed anyone this week! :)
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/11/12 06:13 PM

Rk: that would depend on one's definition of abuse and feelings about criss angel's 'magic vision'.
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Postby Daily Deception » 02/11/12 06:46 PM

As to why Joe was carrying a recording device in his pocket ... you'll have to ask him. In some states it's illegal to record someone's conversation without their consent, so if that's the case in Nevada, then Joe might have broken the law in making the recording (assuming Criss didn't consent--and the only reason he might have consented is if it was a publicity ploy). People who have had problems with others in the past sometimes do carry a recording device so the next time they have evidence of whatever misdeed they feel has occurred.


Luke Dancy is Criss Angels head consultant and manages his consultant team.

Hope that clears up some of the confusion.

www.thedailydeception.com
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Postby Donal Chayce » 02/11/12 08:21 PM

Daily Deception wrote:Luke Dancy is Criss Angels head consultant and manages his consultant team.

Hope that clears up some of the confusion.

www.thedailydeception.com


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Postby Roger M. » 02/11/12 09:27 PM

thedailydeception, seems an odd little news site, with an endless parade of yellow, or otherwise totally slanted journalism.
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Postby Roger M. » 02/11/12 10:03 PM

Luke Dancy gives the lawyers some advance unsworn testimony to work with by publicly sharing what "exactly" went on in Angel's warehouse offices.

Dancy identifies himself as "Joe Monti's supervisor".

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view ... 36&start=0
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