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Postby Daniel » 02/07/12 10:58 AM

Craig Petty has also now apologised via Facebook:


Craig Petty
A Public Apology

I would like to offer a heartfelt apology to Jeff McBride. I have always been and remain a fan of Jeffs work. I genuinely believed that I was protecting a fellow magicians performance rights. In light of recent developments I understand that Wayne does not consider that his performance rights have been in any way infringed. I am truly sorry that I did not speak to Jeff before the review on Wizard Product Review.

I would also like to apologise to Wayne Dobson. Wayne has been a hero of mine for years. I have been made aware that Wayne has felt stressed by the whole situation and I am truly sorry for that. I hope that this apology goes some way to reassuring Wayne that I did not intend that to happen.

Finally I want to apologise to the viewers of the Wizard Product Review. I started the show almost 2 years ago now as I genuinely thought there is a need for a review show that tells the truth about magic products in an entertaining way. Every week I tried to tell you exactly how I feel about what is good and not good in the magic world. I feel that recently I have let you down. All I can do is say sorry that I disappointed you and I hope that over the last two years you have had some enjoyment from what I have offered you.

I am going to take a break from WPR for the time being to reflect on recent events.

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Postby mrgoat » 02/07/12 11:07 AM

That's a better apology than the dwarf's one.

It's amusing they still pretend it's a review show and not an affiliate thing to sell products.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/07/12 02:11 PM

I don't believe Russ, jeff or wayne would have threatened any sort of legal action. I know when I gave both sides of the situation surrounding the refraction DVD, trainer (of wms) did mention lawyers and the protection of his brand.
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Postby IrishMagicNews » 02/07/12 07:59 PM

The following has been passed on to me, from Wayne Dobson & Jeff McBride.

We have read both David Penn and Craig Pettys apologies and sadly see that each has chosen to carefully avoid the one situation that made this so serious and morally contemptible. The secret telephone recordings made by David Penn, without Wayne Dobsons knowledge.

We now know that this is not the first time that David Penn has employed such tactics, as others have come forward and confirmed. That is reprehensible, but to then actually play them to third parties is beyond the pale, as well as being illegal. We also confirm that others have now come forward and told us of similar intimidation and bullying techniques. Waynes was not an isolated incident.

We would suggest that avoidance of a mention to this in their apologies shows that they are not heartfelt, but rather a cynical attempt to gain some sympathy.

On the forums at least, this whole sad story is over but we fear that David Penn and Craig Pettys names and reputations in our fraternity will forever be tarnished by their actions (or lack of).

Wayne Dobson & Jeff Mc Bride 7th February 2012
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Postby Scott M. » 02/07/12 09:52 PM

I agree that David's apology was evasive. But the apologies may have been constricted for legal reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if they had legal advice to avoid admitting participating in an illegal act on a public internet forum.
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Postby Tom Stone » 02/07/12 11:37 PM

Wayne Dobson & Jeff Mc Bride 7th February 2012


Just curious. Who is the author of this text?

I've been told that Wayne have trouble typing due to his MS, so I guess that Jeff (who is very dexterous) have written it.

Only - it looks nothing like the style of English that Jeff normally use. And to my untrained eyes, this looks more like UK syntax than US syntax. So, maybe Wayne is the author... but the Jeff I have met is a caring person - seems uncharacteristic of him to let Wayne struggle with the typing that Jeff could do faster and easier. So who is the author?


I usually don't trust joint statements where there has been put effort into making it impossible to figure out who has said what. Usually turns out that one of the participants in the writing have an agenda that the others are unaware of. Not saying that is the case here - this might be the exception - just that it's usually the case.


I don't know Craig and David. Have only met them once, for five minutes, at Ron McMillan's last year.
As far as I can see, they've both posted individual and personal apologies for their individual actions.
Those apologies might or might not be insufficient, I don't know, but they are individual. Can't find anything "cynical" or manipulative in Craig's apology over his own personal and individual actions.
Refusing to accept his apology seems vindictive in a way that, to me, is uncharacteristic for Jeff. I don't know Wayne as well, but to me, it seems uncharacteristic for him as well... which brings me back to the question; who is the author of the joint statement above?


I would prefer statements where each person's views are clear and identifiable. Less risk for confusion.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/08/12 02:01 AM

I believe Russ Stevens types for Wayne. I also believe he said as much in one of the previous missives.
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Postby IrishMagicNews » 02/08/12 06:46 AM

The statement above has as of this morning been posted to Wayne's Facebook

I don't have a clue who writes what but it clearly states it is co-authored.

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Postby Tom Stone » 02/08/12 07:14 AM

From whom did you get it yesterday?
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Postby mrgoat » 02/08/12 09:37 AM

Someone just sent me this

NSFW at all

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1301661 ... ow-podcast
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Postby Richard Stokes » 02/08/12 09:22 PM

Even Fabio Capello has resigned in protest...
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/09/12 01:28 AM

Jeez, what a mess!
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Postby David Scollnik » 02/10/12 02:51 AM

So, is the next WPR being conducted soley by Blammo?

If that's the case, I will bet that no colour changing deck type tricks will be reviewed.
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Postby Philippe Billot » 02/11/12 05:22 AM

Hi Righteous,

Please, are you able to date this?
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Postby Q. Kumber » 02/11/12 05:45 AM

And here is UK comedian David Copperfield performing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tylk6JKk4

Wayne was the first to incorporate the idea into a magic routine and whenever I saw Wayne perform, it was always in the context of a borrowed note in wallet.
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Postby Ian Kendall » 02/11/12 07:46 AM

I think it's obvious that the Spicer video hails from the 60s, or possibly the late 50s. The fashion sense of the woman would suggest early 60s, but Dennis died in 1964, so it's not going to be after that...

Having said that, didn't Jeff acknowledge that he got the idea from watching a video of Wayne's but didn't realise that performance rights were not included? Wouldn't that cut off earlier dating issues?
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Postby Tom Stone » 02/11/12 10:07 AM

Q. Kumber wrote:Wayne was the first to incorporate the idea into a magic routine

Another difference that might be significant.

The predecessors seem to all have controlled the spectators' mouth movements by giving cues through touching their arms or hands. While Wayne's version didn't use tactile control to steer the spectators' actions, but was more free-form in that it overdubbed the spectators' normal unamplified verbal responses. I've never seen that before Wayne. Are there any predecessors for that as well?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/11/12 12:39 PM

"Righteous" was [censored], and he is now gone.
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Postby Kevin Connolly » 02/11/12 01:03 PM

Thanks!
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Postby Potty the Pirate » 02/11/12 03:47 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:"Righteous" was [censored], and he is now gone.

What a shame, [censored] is a righteous, albeit outspoken, and acerbic man. His opinions and knowledge are truly worthy. Surely his contribution to this debacle is highly significant? One who has such a vast knowledge of magic deserves to be heard. No matter what trolls and fools may think otherwise.
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Postby mrgoat » 02/11/12 04:00 PM

Potty the Pirate wrote:What a shame, [censored] is a righteous, albeit outspoken, and acerbic man.


He's not righteous. He is stupidly annoying and bad at magic as his YouTube videos prove.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx2BDXjTjkg

Watch that. He is an embarrassment. He exposes the method, he has an audience that doesn't care he is there, he drops, he is appalling. He has to say 1.2.3 Shh to try and shut up the audience who don't care he is there.

Potty the Pirate wrote:His opinions and knowledge are truly worthy.


No, he is nothing but a troll and ruins forums with nonsense. Which is why he is banned from them all

Potty the Pirate wrote: Surely his contribution to this debacle is highly significant?


It has no significance whatsoever. He is in toronto, doing magic shows in old peoples' homes that David Ben nicely books him for to give him something to do. He knows nothing about the debacle.

Potty the Pirate wrote:One who has such a vast knowledge of magic deserves to be heard.


He has little knowledge of magic. As the video shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lemy01UJWYo

Watch his card magic. It is beyond embarrassing. He is an old buffoon who could probably sell the odd sven deck. Magician? Good god no.

Potty the Pirate wrote:No matter what trolls and fools may think otherwise.
Potty


It's what the owner of this forum thinks, Potty. You'd do well to remember that.

Who is Lewis going to send in here next to defend him? Aside from you I think his only other friend is Glenn Bishop. Let's hope he comes back soon and tells us all about shuffling!
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Postby Kevin Connolly » 02/11/12 04:30 PM

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Postby Potty the Pirate » 02/11/12 04:40 PM

Trolls everywhere here, what a shame. When you guys have a fraction of the experience of those you dare to cheek, you might just have some kind of credibility.
You don't deserve the honour of having your own appalling videos displayed for all to see.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/11/12 04:45 PM

Potty the Pirate: please go visit the potty.
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Postby Potty the Pirate » 02/11/12 05:12 PM

Hey hey, Richard, I'll leave you to your bedroom brigade. No room for the workers here, I see. Common sense is out there, just take a moment to leave your screen and smell the roses.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/11/12 05:21 PM

What's a "bedroom brigade"?
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Postby AJM » 02/11/12 05:33 PM

I wonder if Potty the Pirate is nautically related to Jolly Roger - Lark Mewis' only other friend?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/11/12 05:35 PM

I'm still trying to figure out what a bedroom brigade is.
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Postby Ian Kendall » 02/11/12 06:01 PM

I'm guessing a bedroom brigade is an army of people who comment on the state of the world from the comfort of their bedroom. Or something.

Doug's from the south coast; they do things differently down there...
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Postby Roger M. » 02/11/12 06:20 PM

Having made a point of stating that he was a "worker", I would presume that the "bedroom brigade" is comprised of people who supposedly aren't "workers", but rather those who endlessly buy magic, and then sit in their rooms performing it for themselves.............or something like that.

It's the standard insult that clowns and birthday party magicians like to use when explaining away their otherwise stupid remarks.

It's sort of like "I did 8 birthday parties dressed as a clown this weekend, how many did you do"?.......

..............the response normally being, "none, not only do I not dress up as a clown, but I'd rather chew my own arm off than perform magic at a kids birthday party dressed as a clown", after which they use the standard "bedroom brigade" insult.........as was done here.
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Postby mrgoat » 02/11/12 06:30 PM

Potty took it upon himself to call people up and tell them not to post on a forum I was posting on because I worked for Playboy UK and am a filthy pornographer.

One person's wife answered the phone and he proceeded to tell her the message.

I think he is disturbed.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/11/12 06:38 PM

Potty the Pirate wrote:
Richard Kaufman wrote:"Righteous" was [censored], and he is now gone.

... His opinions and knowledge are truly worthy. Surely his contribution to this debacle is highly significant? ...


worthy of what?

Shirley knows his/her contributions are interpreted taking into account the nature of their presentation.

Presentation - what the other person perceives trumps whatever it is one might imagine ones intents, motivations and background are within ones own inner world.

Yes I'm sure you believe there's a pony under there but in the future would you kindly not have such steaming piles delivered into the dining room?
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Postby TonyB » 02/11/12 09:41 PM

Posting crappy youtube videos is a cheap shot. [censored] is knowledgeable in a number of areas, and has a wonderfully vicious sense of humour. Any forum that bans him (and most do) just takes itself too seriously.

On the more substantial issue, Wayne Dobson did a wonderful job with that vent bit. He may well have been the first to apply it to a magic trick, but it is a very old bit on its own. I saw Eamon O'Connor doing it years before Wayne's Royal Variety Show performance, which really put it out there.
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Postby WillJames » 02/11/12 09:49 PM

Firstly, thank you Mr Goat for those youtube links, I've been having trouble sleeping and they've helped already.

Secondly, speaking of videos, I looked up the Potty website - dear god, who books this man?!? I'm not sure whether his is indicative of the standard of children's entertainer in his area but if he were competing with the kid show magicians I've seen here he'd never get a gig.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/11/12 10:56 PM

"[censored] ... has a wonderfully vicious sense of humour."

Vicious yes, wonderful no.

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Postby mrgoat » 02/12/12 07:33 AM

TonyB wrote:Posting crappy youtube videos is a cheap shot.


He posted them online, clearly because he thinks they are good. This illustrates how deluded he really is, and how clueless about magic he is, despite any self-proclaimed genius.
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Postby mrgoat » 02/12/12 07:36 AM

WillJames wrote:Firstly, thank you Mr Goat for those youtube links, I've been having trouble sleeping and they've helped already.

Secondly, speaking of videos, I looked up the Potty website - dear god, who books this man?!? I'm not sure whether his is indicative of the standard of children's entertainer in his area but if he were competing with the kid show magicians I've seen here he'd never get a gig.



I already tried to help him with his site, but he called me names and got annoyed when I tried. He even denied it was (pointlessly) in flash. I had to take grabs of the source code to show him. It was laughable.

I'm not sure he is all there.
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Postby IrishMagicNews » 02/12/12 07:45 AM

Can we bring this thread back on track please?
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Postby AmazingGordo » 02/12/12 10:26 AM

All I can say is that I've lost respect for David Penn and Craig Petty. And I say that with sincere regret. Looks like my review of their conduct is two thumbs down!
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Postby Glenn Bishop » 02/12/12 12:17 PM

mrgoat wrote:Who is Lewis going to send in here next to defend him? Aside from you I think his only other friend is Glenn Bishop. Let's hope he comes back soon and tells us all about shuffling!


Wow look at this - goat talking about my Shuffling that I can see he clearly doesn't understand after "all these years". That is amazing that after "all these years" goat is still talking about my shuffling.

I am laughing so hard right now.

I will not talk much about my shuffling as it was part of a routine I did on a DVD that is no longer being sold - that got me booked to do close up in the magic gallery of the world famous "Magic Castle".

One of if not "THE" most famous magic club/nigt clubs in the world and has been so for many many years. A place I understand has never booked the goat to perform or lecture.

And if I may add [censored] and I are not friends - however I would have the opinion that he has "performed" a hell of a lot more shows than the goat has - and many that have mentioned his name in this thread.

Come to think of it - I think I have too...

And if I may add...

The late Wayne Rolland who was a vent here in the USA used to close his vent act by getting two kids from the audience - and do the same kind of routine (different lines). In night clubs it was two grown-ups. It is a funny idea. Wayne told me once that he liked the idea because it got him booked on TV.

When he was on the Mike Douglas show he would use Mike and the co-host. The co-host was often an actor that was booked to co-host for five days. Many actors in those days run out of things to talk about after the first few days - that is why the Mike Douglas show booked acts that could inter-act with the host and co-host.

My dad sawed Mike in half with a bow sawing and was booked on the show to inter-act magic routines with several of Mike's co-host/stars.

People often forget there was a "why" people got booked on TV in those days.
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