eight card brainwave

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Postby Guest » 02/26/05 03:00 PM

i've heard about the "eight card brainwave" by Franck Garcia which has inspired some routines like "twisted sisters".
i'm curious about what was the effect of this premise routine
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Postby Van » 02/26/05 06:15 PM

The faces of eight cards are shown to a spectator who names one. It is shown to have a different back from the other seven.

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Postby Guest » 02/26/05 06:55 PM

i've heard about the "eight card brainwave" by Franck Garcia
This is a Nice Trost routine.

Daryl has some nice work on the effect in his recent leture notes.
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Postby Jim Maloney_dup1 » 02/26/05 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Jacques:
i've heard about the "eight card brainwave" by Franck Garcia which has inspired some routines like "twisted sisters".
i'm curious about what was the effect of this premise routine
thanks
In addition to it being a Nick Trost routine, not Frank Garcia, you also seem to be confusing it with Phil Goldstein's B'Wave, which was the predecessor to Twisted Sisters.

B'Wave, if that is what you are interested in, is a small packet version of Brainwave in which you predict which queen will be selected by the spectator. In addition to that queen being reversed in the packet, you also show that it has a different back than the other three cards AND that the other three cards are actually blank-faced.

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Postby Guest » 02/27/05 02:21 AM

thanks for these precisions,
because i "created" 2 routines based on these type of effect and wanted to be sure their pathways and effect were "original".
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Postby Philippe Billot » 02/27/05 03:01 AM

As Eight Card Brainwave was published in 1972 in Million Dollar Card Secrets, who can tell me where and when Nick Trost published his trick, please ?
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Postby Joe Pecore » 02/27/05 07:18 AM

In the January 2004 issue of Genii at the end of Ian Rowland's effect based on 8 card brainwave called "Persuasion" it states:

This first appeared as "The Odd-Colored Back" in Nick Trost's column in The New Tops and is also in "Card Magic of Nick Trost"

No dates.
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Postby Philippe Billot » 02/27/05 07:34 AM

Thanks.

As The Card Magic of Nick Trost was published in 1997, we can deduct he published his trick first in The New Tops.

This magazine began in 1961 and ended in 1983, that is to say 23 years of searchs !!!

No, I'm joking. Just 10 years, between 1961 and 1972.
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Postby Guest » 03/23/05 03:36 AM

Originally posted by Philippe Billot:
As Eight Card Brainwave was published in 1972 in Million Dollar Card Secrets, who can tell me where and when Nick Trost published his trick, please ?
:D Nick was inspired to work out this effect using Ed Marlo's "Olram Subtlety"("The New Tops", Nov.'65) and was first described in his column in "The New Tops" under the title of "The Odd-Colored Back." It originally used six cards and was later changed to eight. It was marketed as "Eight Card Brainwave" in '76. Al Thatcher later added a couple additions to visually emphasize that all of the seven cards at the end had the same back color. Cheers!!
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Postby Pepka » 03/23/05 04:10 AM

Lennart Green has some excellent work on this effect. I believe his new move is called the mirror count. I love 8 card brainwave, but this is sooooo deceptive.
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Postby Denis Behr » 03/23/05 05:39 AM

In the credit section in Super Subtle Card Miracles Garcia writes:
"EIGHT CARD BRAINWAVE: This is based on Ed Marlo's "Olram" principle. I thought of this independently for use in trade shows."

BTW doesn't Daryl end with 4 cards of each colour? Does anybody use this ending without spectators reconstructing the method?

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Postby Philippe Billot » 03/23/05 01:36 PM

Thanks, Labac.

Nick Trost's The Odd Colored Back was described the same year Olram Subtlety ? in 1965 ?
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Postby Guest » 03/24/05 03:28 AM

:D Philippe, I am almost certain it was later that year.
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Postby Guest » 03/24/05 05:18 AM

This effect is usually done with eight cards. But it often gets the response that it was only a 1 in 8 chance. I therefore do it with ten cards. I think that it should be done with as large an (even) number of cards as possible, bearing in mind that you have to spread out the following sentence (or something similar) to cover the duration of the display.

"It's interesting, of all the cards that you could have chosen, you chose the only one" - display ends "with a red back".

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Postby Pete McCabe » 03/24/05 09:34 AM

I'm working on a version of the 8-card brainwave that uses a full deck. I'll let you know if anything comes of it.
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Postby Jeff Pierce Magic » 03/24/05 10:07 AM

In my new book "The King Has Left the Building..." I have a routine called "Predict-a-wave which is a version using 10 completely blank cards and a thought of message appears on the selected card.

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