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if the pass were invented today ...

Postby NickShear » September 25th, 2011, 11:03 am

it would have a ridiculous name like "the hugard & braue super top secret ultimate mega pass"

what's with every new idea (always rehashed from year's ago but forgotten by today's young con artists) branding the simplest things with their name and some ridiculously worded catch phrase?

looking at my copy of "expert card technique" i can understand how in 1944 there may not have been a collection of sleight of hand techniques, but after 65 plus years, every little shift, switch, lift, and pass, is brought to the attention of all the young and naive magicians who are interested in fooling their parents and friends, and sold to them in an overpriced and under-packaged online pdf or badly produced dvd.

what are your thoughts?

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Richard Kaufman » September 25th, 2011, 11:09 am

My thoughts?

The Herrmann Pass
The Zingone Spread Control
The Lorayne Force
The Tenkai Palm

Attaching names to sleights has been going on for over 100 years.
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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby El Mystico » September 25th, 2011, 12:11 pm

As for the ridiculous catch phrases; people get caught by them. Like "Mansilla's Eureka ACAAN".

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Anthony Vinson » September 25th, 2011, 1:47 pm

The practice of combining one's name and a ridiculously worded catch phrase to a product isn't new either. Consider, for example, the snake oil salesmen as far back as the early 1700s who trotted out products bearing names like Professor Peterson's Patented All-in-One Cure-All Elixir and Health Enhancer Oil.

"No thing under the sun is new."?

The more things change the more they stay the same?

SSDD?!

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby erdnasephile » September 25th, 2011, 8:54 pm

It happens in other fields too. Medicine in particular, given the names of horrific diseases and syndromes.

Just like today, people wanted to be famous no matter what.

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Mike Remington » September 26th, 2011, 2:06 am

Richard Kaufman wrote:Attaching names to sleights has been going on for over 100 years.


My goal is to invent a steal that would be named after me.

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby luigimar » September 26th, 2011, 8:24 am

So Mike, would the move be called "Remington Steele" (steal), just like the 80's program? ;)

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 26th, 2011, 8:57 am

The pass is likely discovered every day. But that discovery would not be a significant novel addition to our our working body of knowledge in this craft.

erdnasephile wrote:It happens in other fields too. Medicine in particular, given the names of horrific diseases and syndromes.

Just like today, people wanted to be famous no matter what.


Nothing like being set into print as a copyist or person who publishes other people's work without permission... or worse, seeks attention for reinventing the wheel.

How about an ebook on how to suck eggs too?

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby mrgoat » September 26th, 2011, 9:15 am

luigimar wrote:So Mike, would the move be called "Remington Steele" (steal), just like the 80's program? ;)

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I spat out coffee laughing at that. You own me a new keyboard.

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby El Harvey Oswald » September 26th, 2011, 10:00 am

"Remington Steele"

brilliant

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 26th, 2011, 10:01 am

Not sure how many recall the nature of that character on the show, a handsome face to front for a clever female detective.
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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Anthony Vinson » September 26th, 2011, 10:46 am

Nice one, Mike. But have you considered developing a battery powered electric deck? You could call it the Remington Cordless.

Too obscure?

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 26th, 2011, 11:46 am

Secret, strong enough for a man but built for a magician?
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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby John M. Dale » September 26th, 2011, 1:23 pm

Or maybe a self-resetting move that's called the Remington Repeater?

Or perhaps a new turnover shift called the Remington Revolver?

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby John M. Dale » September 26th, 2011, 1:27 pm

Oh, oh, wait...a two handed fire production.


Remington Firearms.

Are you groaning yet?

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Jeff Haas » September 26th, 2011, 5:04 pm

Pshaw! The Winchester Mystery Pass is much better than the Remington Steal.

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Ian Kendall » September 26th, 2011, 6:02 pm

Just wait until the Kendall Kindle book test comes out...

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby El Harvey Oswald » September 26th, 2011, 8:41 pm

i think he was actually getting at the bad-ass modifiers (super, ultra, etc.) and other silly embellishments rather than people attaching their names to moves. even so, things like the overheated "strike" modifier was applied to some pretty pedestrian moves long ago, and i never found marlo's penchant for attaching "action" compelling.

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Richard Kaufman » September 26th, 2011, 8:58 pm

Crepuscular Cineaste Coughing Kaufman Catches Ultra-Devious Criminal Creature Buff Jesby while Creeping C*nt Serry Jadotits Jaunts Away in a Gesture of Slippery Stupendous [censored].
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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby John M. Dale » September 27th, 2011, 12:43 am

I humbly bow to your obviously superior semi-alliterative adjective slinging adeptnitude, Eminence.

"Crepuscular"? Now that's one I HAVE to add to my vernacular vocabulary.

Thanx!!

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Mike Remington » September 27th, 2011, 1:10 am

Groan

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby John M. Dale » September 27th, 2011, 1:38 am

(In my best Elvis impression)

Thankyouverymuch.

My work here is done.

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Anthony Vinson » September 27th, 2011, 6:44 am

Wow! I believe that's the first time I've heard (seen) the word crepuscular used outside of Wallace Steven's The Emperor of Ice Cream. Kudos!

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 27th, 2011, 9:02 am

Crepuscular? as in those movies where the pre-adults have tweezed eyebrows and "not Delen" is out to control two races instead of just becoming the queen of the transition between the old ones (membari in B5 - vampires/warewolves in "Twilight")... in a word - ewww. The early bird can keep that word.

Though Ed Marlo as The Vampire Lestat might be kinda fun.
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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Richard Kaufman » September 27th, 2011, 12:19 pm

Marlo would be more like Viktor in the Underworld films.
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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Philippe Billot » September 27th, 2011, 1:53 pm

"Viktor, the cruel vampire king who has enslaved them"

You make reference of this Viktor?

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Re: if the pass were invented today ...

Postby Jonathan Townsend » September 27th, 2011, 2:17 pm

Philippe Billot wrote:"Viktor, the cruel vampire king who has enslaved them"

You make reference of this Viktor?
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