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The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Noël » July 6th, 2011, 3:06 pm

I have just bought The Havana Deal Manuscript by Marlo from Magic Inc. The problem is that they sent me the manuscript without the illustrations. I emailed them to get the illustrations but have not received an answer until now.
Is-there someone who has the illustrations and would be kind enough to send them to me by e-mail?

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Billot » July 6th, 2011, 3:09 pm

Hello,

The Havana Deal is described in RCT Seconds, Centers, Bottoms (1960)

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Noël » July 6th, 2011, 3:14 pm

Hi Philippe,
Marlo talks about the Havana Deal in Seconds, Centers, Bottoms but there is no description. Marlo did not publish the same material twice.

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Billot » July 6th, 2011, 3:22 pm

Sorry for my mistake.

It's in Marlo's Magazine, Vol. 4 , page 192 197 (1981).

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Noël » July 6th, 2011, 3:32 pm

Hi Philippe,
Sorry but Marlo himself writes in Marlo's Magazine Vol 4 that "What follows are several techniques that have been devised for the Havana Deal." It is not a description of the ORIGINAL Havana Deal.

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Billot » July 6th, 2011, 3:43 pm

And you can't reconstruct with these variations ?

Have you seen Allan Ackerman performs it ?

It's available in Lybrary.com

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Bill Mullins » July 6th, 2011, 4:06 pm

Philippe Nol wrote: Marlo did not publish the same material twice.


No. He'd publish it 15 - 20 times, although with minute variations . . . .

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Leonard Hevia » July 7th, 2011, 12:17 am

Who is the real Philippe and who is the imposter? The Summer 1996 issue of the The Looking Glass contains a description of the "Soft Havana Deal." Here is what Jon Racherbaumer wrote in the introduction:

Edward Marlo and Laurie Ireland published the Havana Deal in 1948. This stud-type bottom deal was the first of its kind and when Marlo tipped it, Ireland was immediately impressed. At the time (1946) the move was strictly sub rosa and cardmen were able to keep good moves under wraps for longer periods of time. Ireland eventually persuaded Marlo to publish before it was kicked around and leaked into the mainstream. From a marketing standpoint, however, a bottom deal technique wouldn't have much appeal to the average consumer. Frances Ireland had a solution. She understood that magicians coveted secrets, especially "gambling" secrets apparently devised by mysterious card cheats. So, Frances invented a fictional character named Manuel Pedro and sold the technique as the "Havana Deal" from Cuba. The move was actually developed by Marlo, as he explained in Seconds, Centers, and Bottoms (1960). Twenty years later, Marlo published six variant techniques of the Havana Deal in Marlo's Magazine, Volume Four (1980). The following technique introduces a change in the position of the left fingers and the way the right hand deals cards up to the table. (The photographs are of Ed Marlo's hands.)

The description includes ten photos of Marlo's hands executing the deal. Onward...(With apologies to Racherbaumer)

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Noël » July 7th, 2011, 1:20 am

What do you mean by imposter?
I gave $5.00 to buy a technique and I did not receive any illustrations.
A bad investment from my part...

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Leonard Hevia » July 7th, 2011, 3:42 pm

Hi Philippe--

I'm just having fun. I think it's amusing to see two Philippes on the same thread. That is not a common name.

The original manuscript that was published in 1948 probably didn't have illustrations. I posted the information from the 1996 issue of The Looking Glass to help you understand how the Havana Deal looks. You might have a copy of this short-lived journal. If you do not, I suggest you try to locate a copy. The Chief Genii may still have copies available. You should purchase all four of them if you can.

Lecture notes occasionally don't come with illustrations. Bob White's It's a Matter of Style lecture notes has zero illustrations. That means lots of hard work and some imagination to get the information out of the pages.

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Ken Becker » July 7th, 2011, 5:37 pm

Hello Philippe,
I just noticed your frustration re instructions/illustrations
of the Havana Deal. I have it. I purchased it in, I believe,
1948 or 1949, and it does have a one page photo illustration
of the mechanics.
Glad to send it to you. Contact me at tienbeck@aol.com

Ken

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Thomas Van Aken » July 8th, 2011, 5:29 am

Hello,

Speaking of the Havana Deal, I read somewhere that this is a stud bottom from Erdnase grip. Can somebody confirms this ?

Thanks and regards.

Thomas

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Noël » July 8th, 2011, 9:23 am

Hi Thomas,
In the Havana Deal Manuscript, Marlo explains that he prefers the Erdnase grip. So the Erdnase grip is the second method for The Havana Deal.

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Thomas Van Aken » July 8th, 2011, 10:58 am

So Marlo describes one version with the Erdnase grip and another version that uses a different grip ?
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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Noël » July 8th, 2011, 11:04 am

Yes

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Philippe Noël » July 8th, 2011, 11:14 am

Hi Leonard,
I was sure there were illustrations because the instructions begin by saying: "First see figure 1, ready to make the deal.
Figure 2 shows how cards are held in the left hand..."
So if you don't get the illustrations, the text is not very helpful. Honestly, if Magic Inc sells the manuscript without the illustrations which was the case for me, it is not $5.00 worth.

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Leonard Hevia » July 8th, 2011, 8:19 pm

Hi Philippe--

You are correct, it was published with illustrations and Ken Becker has come to your rescue. I still think you should check out that issue of The Looking Glass.

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Re: The Havana Deal Manuscript

Postby Bill Mullins » July 8th, 2011, 11:07 pm

There is also some material on the Havana Deal in Racherbaumer's Marlo on Erdnase.


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