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Postby Philippe Noël » 07/06/11 03:06 PM

I have just bought The Havana Deal Manuscript by Marlo from Magic Inc. The problem is that they sent me the manuscript without the illustrations. I emailed them to get the illustrations but have not received an answer until now.
Is-there someone who has the illustrations and would be kind enough to send them to me by e-mail?
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Postby Philippe Billot » 07/06/11 03:09 PM

Hello,

The Havana Deal is described in RCT Seconds, Centers, Bottoms (1960)
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Postby Philippe Noël » 07/06/11 03:14 PM

Hi Philippe,
Marlo talks about the Havana Deal in Seconds, Centers, Bottoms but there is no description. Marlo did not publish the same material twice.
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Postby Philippe Billot » 07/06/11 03:22 PM

Sorry for my mistake.

It's in Marlo's Magazine, Vol. 4 , page 192 197 (1981).
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Postby Philippe Noël » 07/06/11 03:32 PM

Hi Philippe,
Sorry but Marlo himself writes in Marlo's Magazine Vol 4 that "What follows are several techniques that have been devised for the Havana Deal." It is not a description of the ORIGINAL Havana Deal.
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Postby Philippe Billot » 07/06/11 03:43 PM

And you can't reconstruct with these variations ?

Have you seen Allan Ackerman performs it ?

It's available in Lybrary.com
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Postby Bill Mullins » 07/06/11 04:06 PM

Philippe Nol wrote: Marlo did not publish the same material twice.


No. He'd publish it 15 - 20 times, although with minute variations . . . .
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Postby Leonard Hevia » 07/07/11 12:17 AM

Who is the real Philippe and who is the imposter? The Summer 1996 issue of the The Looking Glass contains a description of the "Soft Havana Deal." Here is what Jon Racherbaumer wrote in the introduction:

Edward Marlo and Laurie Ireland published the Havana Deal in 1948. This stud-type bottom deal was the first of its kind and when Marlo tipped it, Ireland was immediately impressed. At the time (1946) the move was strictly sub rosa and cardmen were able to keep good moves under wraps for longer periods of time. Ireland eventually persuaded Marlo to publish before it was kicked around and leaked into the mainstream. From a marketing standpoint, however, a bottom deal technique wouldn't have much appeal to the average consumer. Frances Ireland had a solution. She understood that magicians coveted secrets, especially "gambling" secrets apparently devised by mysterious card cheats. So, Frances invented a fictional character named Manuel Pedro and sold the technique as the "Havana Deal" from Cuba. The move was actually developed by Marlo, as he explained in Seconds, Centers, and Bottoms (1960). Twenty years later, Marlo published six variant techniques of the Havana Deal in Marlo's Magazine, Volume Four (1980). The following technique introduces a change in the position of the left fingers and the way the right hand deals cards up to the table. (The photographs are of Ed Marlo's hands.)

The description includes ten photos of Marlo's hands executing the deal. Onward...(With apologies to Racherbaumer)
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Postby Philippe Noël » 07/07/11 01:20 AM

What do you mean by imposter?
I gave $5.00 to buy a technique and I did not receive any illustrations.
A bad investment from my part...
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Postby Leonard Hevia » 07/07/11 03:42 PM

Hi Philippe--

I'm just having fun. I think it's amusing to see two Philippes on the same thread. That is not a common name.

The original manuscript that was published in 1948 probably didn't have illustrations. I posted the information from the 1996 issue of The Looking Glass to help you understand how the Havana Deal looks. You might have a copy of this short-lived journal. If you do not, I suggest you try to locate a copy. The Chief Genii may still have copies available. You should purchase all four of them if you can.

Lecture notes occasionally don't come with illustrations. Bob White's It's a Matter of Style lecture notes has zero illustrations. That means lots of hard work and some imagination to get the information out of the pages.
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Postby Ken Becker » 07/07/11 05:37 PM

Hello Philippe,
I just noticed your frustration re instructions/illustrations
of the Havana Deal. I have it. I purchased it in, I believe,
1948 or 1949, and it does have a one page photo illustration
of the mechanics.
Glad to send it to you. Contact me at tienbeck@aol.com

Ken
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Postby Thomas Van Aken » 07/08/11 05:29 AM

Hello,

Speaking of the Havana Deal, I read somewhere that this is a stud bottom from Erdnase grip. Can somebody confirms this ?

Thanks and regards.

Thomas
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Postby Philippe Noël » 07/08/11 09:23 AM

Hi Thomas,
In the Havana Deal Manuscript, Marlo explains that he prefers the Erdnase grip. So the Erdnase grip is the second method for The Havana Deal.
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Postby Thomas Van Aken » 07/08/11 10:58 AM

So Marlo describes one version with the Erdnase grip and another version that uses a different grip ?
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Postby Philippe Noël » 07/08/11 11:04 AM

Yes
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Postby Philippe Noël » 07/08/11 11:14 AM

Hi Leonard,
I was sure there were illustrations because the instructions begin by saying: "First see figure 1, ready to make the deal.
Figure 2 shows how cards are held in the left hand..."
So if you don't get the illustrations, the text is not very helpful. Honestly, if Magic Inc sells the manuscript without the illustrations which was the case for me, it is not $5.00 worth.
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Postby Leonard Hevia » 07/08/11 08:19 PM

Hi Philippe--

You are correct, it was published with illustrations and Ken Becker has come to your rescue. I still think you should check out that issue of The Looking Glass.
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Postby Bill Mullins » 07/08/11 11:07 PM

There is also some material on the Havana Deal in Racherbaumer's Marlo on Erdnase.
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