Card Stars for the 2010's

Discuss your favorite close-up tricks and methods.
User avatar
erdnasephile
Posts: 2818
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm

Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby erdnasephile » June 8th, 2011, 10:14 pm

Back in 2002, RK's proposal to update the list of "Card Stars of the USA" for the 21st century. See: http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums/ubb ... #Post45480

Unfortunately, many names were mentioned back then that are now no longer with us. In addition, many of the lists were limited only to Americans, which left out a whole bunch of amazing cardicians.

Since it's been almost a decade, I thought it might be fun to find out who makes your Top 10 list of Card Stars, circa 2011. I'm interested in your "all around" list of 10 living Card Stars (you might check out Jon Racherbaumer's thoughts on this in the previous thread)

Here's my list: (in alphabetic order)

Steve Forte
Roberto Giobbi
Harry Lorayne
Bill Malone
Darwin Ortiz
Jim Swain
Juan Tamariz
Johnny Thompson
Bob White
Andrew Wimhurst

Who makes your Top 10?

User avatar
Richard Kaufman
Posts: 22905
Joined: July 18th, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Theodore DeLand
Location: Washington DC
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 8th, 2011, 11:09 pm

Juan Tamariz
Steve Forte
Roberto Giobbi
Bill Kalush
David Berglas
David Williamson
Harry Lorayne
Steve Freeman
Bill Goodwin
Guy Hollingworth
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine

Bill Duncan
Posts: 1408
Joined: March 13th, 2008, 11:33 pm

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Bill Duncan » June 8th, 2011, 11:56 pm

10... I don't know, but I gotta add...
Steve Dobson
Steve Mayhew
Jack Carpenter

User avatar
Richard Kaufman
Posts: 22905
Joined: July 18th, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Theodore DeLand
Location: Washington DC
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 9th, 2011, 12:38 am

No, only 10. That's what makes it tough.
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine

jason156
Posts: 164
Joined: August 6th, 2008, 5:38 pm
Location: Daytona Beach

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby jason156 » June 9th, 2011, 4:58 am

Ken Krenzel and John Carney belong on that list.

User avatar
Joe Pecore
Posts: 1863
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Paul Harris
Location: Northern Virginia

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Joe Pecore » June 9th, 2011, 7:56 am

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out who I would knock off Richard's list to add Max Maven, Jason England or Bill Malone.
Share your knowledge on the MagicPedia wiki.

Jonathan Townsend
Posts: 7400
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Westchester, NY
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Jonathan Townsend » June 9th, 2011, 8:33 am

I was not aware Berglas, Giobbi, England, Hollingworth, Tamariz, and Wimhurst were "of the USA". No Obama jokes, please.

Isn't this "best" list stuff beneath the Genii forum and more fodder for the Magic Cafe?

Come on - where's Jay Sankey on that list? Or Oz Perlman? or Paul Harris? The Buck Twins?

And does it matter whether they use Bikes or the new custom deisign decks?

User avatar
Joe Pecore
Posts: 1863
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Paul Harris
Location: Northern Virginia

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Joe Pecore » June 9th, 2011, 9:40 am

Jonathan Townsend wrote:I was not aware Berglas, Giobbi, England, Hollingworth, Tamariz, and Wimhurst were "of the USA".

Mr. erdnasephile is asking for opinions on a "Top 10 list of Card Stars, circa 2011", worldwide.
Share your knowledge on the MagicPedia wiki.

User avatar
Joe Pecore
Posts: 1863
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Paul Harris
Location: Northern Virginia

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Joe Pecore » June 9th, 2011, 9:44 am

I'd have to agree with Paul Harris and also throw in Howie Schwarzman too.
Share your knowledge on the MagicPedia wiki.

Jonathan Townsend
Posts: 7400
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Westchester, NY
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Jonathan Townsend » June 9th, 2011, 10:41 am

Folks, when you post a candidate would you also add some work or example that the rest of us could consider to help understand what brought you to include them in yout list?

I'd add that guy who did the signed wildcard at FISM for sheer fun, John Bannon for creativity with those new packet tricks, Bruno Copin for similar reasons, Roy Walton (need I put even one reason there?), Bob Farmer, the guy who invented that verson of jazz aces where the other four cards are gone at the end...

Is it okay to add the assistants (and John Gaughan) for making the Hooker Card act a part of our living card magic?

User avatar
Richard Kaufman
Posts: 22905
Joined: July 18th, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Theodore DeLand
Location: Washington DC
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 9th, 2011, 11:12 am

Jonathan: NO--there is no requirement to add any examples. Simply placing them on the list is enough.

Frankly, getting it down to ten people worldwide is almost impossible.
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine

User avatar
Michael Kamen
Posts: 338
Joined: January 18th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Michael Kamen » June 9th, 2011, 12:05 pm

Once you have it down to a short list of 30 or 40, you may always sort in descending order of number of books published, and take the top 10. Or shoe size perhaps. . .
Michael Kamen

Alan M
Posts: 29
Joined: January 19th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Tarzana, CA

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Alan M » June 9th, 2011, 12:05 pm

Ricky Jay belongs somewhere in the top 10.

User avatar
Joe Pecore
Posts: 1863
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Paul Harris
Location: Northern Virginia

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Joe Pecore » June 9th, 2011, 12:20 pm

Michael Kamen wrote:Once you have it down to a short list of 30 or 40, you may always sort in descending order of number of books published, and take the top 10. Or shoe size perhaps. . .
How about by age? Oldest first :)
Share your knowledge on the MagicPedia wiki.

User avatar
Michael Kamen
Posts: 338
Joined: January 18th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Michael Kamen » June 9th, 2011, 12:35 pm

Annual earnings?
Michael Kamen

Mark Collier
Posts: 402
Joined: January 18th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Santa Barbara, Ca
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Mark Collier » June 9th, 2011, 1:23 pm

Lennart Green

User avatar
Richard Kaufman
Posts: 22905
Joined: July 18th, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Theodore DeLand
Location: Washington DC
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 9th, 2011, 1:43 pm

I think if you added up the annual earnings of the original 10 card stars you'd have a pretty small number. Earnings are not part of the equation.
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine

User avatar
Dustin Stinett
Posts: 6567
Joined: July 22nd, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Sometimes
Location: Southern California
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Dustin Stinett » June 9th, 2011, 3:57 pm

This is my off the top of my head list (by alpha), but there are some notable people missing that belong on such a list:

Jason England
Steve Forte
Steve Freeman
Bill Goodwin
Guy Hollingworth
Ricky Jay
Juan Tamariz
Michael Weber
Bob White
R. Paul Wilson

User avatar
Dustin Stinett
Posts: 6567
Joined: July 22nd, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Sometimes
Location: Southern California
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Dustin Stinett » June 9th, 2011, 3:58 pm

Add Lorayne, Schwarzman, Ackerman... so many more. Richard is right: impossible to list only ten.

User avatar
erdnasephile
Posts: 2818
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby erdnasephile » June 9th, 2011, 4:39 pm

I can't believe I left off Ricky Jay.

I would have considered Steve Freeman, but he's so underground that I've never seen him perform...

Paul Harris is a genius and inspired a whole generation of cardmen (and cardwomen), but IMHO, I just didn't think he quite had the technical chops to bump someone out of my personal top 10. YMMV.

User avatar
Alfred
Posts: 35
Joined: January 11th, 2009, 6:53 am
Location: Spain
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Alfred » June 10th, 2011, 6:00 am

My pick:

Juan Tamariz
Arturo de Ascanio
Pepe Carroll
Miguel Gmez
Ren Lavand
David Williamson
Steve Forte
Michael Vincent
John Carney
Roberto Giobbi

Jonathan Townsend
Posts: 7400
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Westchester, NY
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Jonathan Townsend » June 10th, 2011, 8:58 am

My list of greats includes Armando Lucero, Roy Walton, Steve Freeman - and has hopes to include some of this generation's talents like Dani DOrtiz, Michael Vincent and Andrew Wimhust.
Mundus vult decipi -per Caleb Carr's story Killing Time

Tony Tuccillo
Posts: 175
Joined: March 19th, 2008, 10:35 pm
Location: Sebastian, Florida
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Tony Tuccillo » June 10th, 2011, 9:54 am

What makes it tougher is how are we defining 'card stars'? Based on their skill alone, contribution to the craft or craft & magic community, their commercial appeal?

The criteria I'm using is based on who I would want to spend a few hours with sessioning and talking about card magic. The list is in no special order.

Juan Tamariz
Dani DaOrtiz
Lennart Green
Bill Malone
David Williamson
Roy Walton
Jason England
Ricky Jay
Roberto Giobbi
Bong Santos

I'm actually getting ill looking at the names I've left off my list so I think I'll go order a new card magic book or download a video..........
Tony Tuccillo
Sebastian, Florida

User avatar
Richard Kaufman
Posts: 22905
Joined: July 18th, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Theodore DeLand
Location: Washington DC
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 10th, 2011, 10:56 am

Who is "Bong Santos"?
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine

Pete McCabe
Posts: 2170
Joined: January 18th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Simi Valley, CA

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Pete McCabe » June 10th, 2011, 1:28 pm

I don't know, but I'd invite him to the session anyway.

Tony Tuccillo
Posts: 175
Joined: March 19th, 2008, 10:35 pm
Location: Sebastian, Florida
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Tony Tuccillo » June 10th, 2011, 1:45 pm

Ha! Wanted to see if anyone was paying attention. Very good. (Bong Santos is a screen name I use from time to time).

Since he doesn't belong on the list I'll add Helder Guimares
Tony Tuccillo

Sebastian, Florida

Kent Gunn
Posts: 580
Joined: May 15th, 2008, 2:05 pm
Location: Florida
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Kent Gunn » June 10th, 2011, 1:46 pm

Dustin,

Two guys on your list are lecturing at the GGG in six days. You should come up.

KG

User avatar
Dustin Stinett
Posts: 6567
Joined: July 22nd, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Sometimes
Location: Southern California
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Dustin Stinett » June 10th, 2011, 1:55 pm

I really wish I could. It's not in the cards this year (no pun intended).

jason156
Posts: 164
Joined: August 6th, 2008, 5:38 pm
Location: Daytona Beach

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby jason156 » June 10th, 2011, 2:33 pm

Pete McCabe wrote:I don't know, but I'd invite him to the session anyway.


I must be getting old, I just got that joke.. :D

Seriously though, I'm the only one who thinks Ken Krenzel belongs on the list?

Jonathan Townsend
Posts: 7400
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Westchester, NY
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Jonathan Townsend » June 10th, 2011, 3:34 pm

How many other peers of Dai Vernon are there around from his NY days?
Mundus vult decipi -per Caleb Carr's story Killing Time

Tony Tuccillo
Posts: 175
Joined: March 19th, 2008, 10:35 pm
Location: Sebastian, Florida
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Tony Tuccillo » June 10th, 2011, 4:15 pm

jason156 wrote: Seriously though, I'm the only one who thinks Ken Krenzel belongs on the list?


Good point. Sadly I haven't taken time to study his material and have never seen him perform. I know he's highly regarded. Now I have another name to add to my list of those works that I should study.

I see you're in Daytona. Do you attend the annual festival in November?
Tony Tuccillo

Sebastian, Florida

Bill McFadden
Posts: 621
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Villesville-on-the-Chesapeake

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Bill McFadden » June 10th, 2011, 7:30 pm

Definitely Dr. Krenzel. Also Earl Nelson, Simon Aaronson, David Solomon, Jon Racherbaumer, Lee Asher, and Aaron Fisher. And that Regal guy ain't exactly a slouch with a deck of cards, either. While we're at it, let's not forget RK (shameless kissing-up).

The problem with lists is who gets left off. It's like trying to name the 10 best directors, musicians, etc.

User avatar
Richard Kaufman
Posts: 22905
Joined: July 18th, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Theodore DeLand
Location: Washington DC
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 10th, 2011, 7:39 pm

I will disqualify myself from any such list.
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine

User avatar
Dustin Stinett
Posts: 6567
Joined: July 22nd, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Sometimes
Location: Southern California
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Dustin Stinett » June 10th, 2011, 9:06 pm

Me too.

User avatar
John M. Dale
Posts: 240
Joined: January 18th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: San Jose, CA

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby John M. Dale » June 10th, 2011, 9:46 pm

Dustin Stinett wrote:Me too.


You're disqualifying yourself or agreeing with Richard? :confused:

JMD

Bill McFadden
Posts: 621
Joined: January 17th, 2008, 12:00 pm
Location: Villesville-on-the-Chesapeake

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Bill McFadden » June 10th, 2011, 10:07 pm

Dang, I forgot Jon Armstrong, Steve Draun, and (though too late) Dustin Stinett. I was just getting around to Jim Maloney as well. (Smooching sound in background).

As to Jon's question regarding Vernon's NYC contemporaries still with us, I can only think of:

Ken Krenzel
Howie Schwarzman
Harry Lorayne
George Schindler

Not certain about Sol Stone and Ronald Wohl.

Sincerest apologies to Simon Aronson for tagging the extra "a" in the previous post.

jason156
Posts: 164
Joined: August 6th, 2008, 5:38 pm
Location: Daytona Beach

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby jason156 » June 11th, 2011, 12:51 am

Tony Tuccillo wrote:
jason156 wrote: Seriously though, I'm the only one who thinks Ken Krenzel belongs on the list?


Good point. Sadly I haven't taken time to study his material and have never seen him perform. I know he's highly regarded. Now I have another name to add to my list of those works that I should study.

I see you're in Daytona. Do you attend the annual festival in November?


I've attended a few of the Festivals, but frankly I miss the old Florida State Magic Conventions. I remember, about 20 years ago, watching Paul Diamond do the close up rotation and he killed. Those were the days.

User avatar
Dustin Stinett
Posts: 6567
Joined: July 22nd, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Sometimes
Location: Southern California
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Dustin Stinett » June 11th, 2011, 12:58 am

John M. Dale wrote:
Dustin Stinett wrote:Me too.


You're disqualifying yourself or agreeing with Richard? :confused:

JMD

Yes.

User avatar
Richard Kaufman
Posts: 22905
Joined: July 18th, 2001, 12:00 pm
Favorite Magician: Theodore DeLand
Location: Washington DC
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Richard Kaufman » June 11th, 2011, 1:35 am

Let's be a little pickier in the people we name. George Schindler is a great guy and a fun performer, but in no way is he a "card star."
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine

Jim Maloney
Posts: 708
Joined: July 23rd, 2001, 12:00 pm
Location: Central New Jersey
Contact:

Re: Card Stars for the 2010's

Postby Jim Maloney » June 11th, 2011, 11:38 am

Bill McFadden wrote:I was just getting around to Jim Maloney as well. (Smooching sound in background).


Unlike Richard & Dustin, I'm not going to disqualify myself. Anyone who wants to put me on such a list has my blessing. (As well as my recommendation to get your head checked out!)

Not certain about Sol Stone and Ronald Wohl.

Sol's still around and doing well, as far as I know. I last saw him few months (maybe a year?) ago.

-Jim
Books and Magazines for sale -- more than 200 items (Last updated January 10th, 2014. Link goes to public Google Doc.)


Return to “Close-Up Magic”