Chinese Activists Demand to Know Secret

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Postby Damian Odess-Gillett » 02/16/11 06:50 AM

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Postby John LeBlanc » 02/16/11 09:10 AM

Well, it wouldn't work as well with carrots, for pity's sake.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/16/11 10:06 AM

So a magician plays coy* and others decide to carp?

Astounding commentary from a place where animals are sold in markets in small cages (they don't ordinarily live in tiny cages) yet when some are fed an unusual diet and manipulated indirectly for a few minutes... much ado.
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Postby Frank Quiroz » 02/16/11 01:20 PM

I have to bring some of the content from another post of mine into this thread which involves people fighting over a dog being in the house because it gives me a great idea.
Take the dog, and his owner, stick large neomagnets up their arses and force them to walk in formation! OMG did I just say that!?
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/16/11 01:36 PM

Frank, the customary procedure for getting dogs and owners to walk in formation is to teach the dog to "heel".
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Postby Andres Reynoso » 02/16/11 02:00 PM

We all enjoy dove magic, it's a regular and accepted practice. I guess this people must fight against it too. Or maybe doves performs in natural status?
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/16/11 02:30 PM

Some folks in magic take very good care of their animals.

I'm not sure where to put the goldfish trick on my ethical scale of okay - abusive as I don't know how it affects the longterm health of the animal. If you can safely use your prize goldfish in the trick - okay maybe it's a bit manipulative so we could consider it a "dual reality" trick for the fish. Again that all depends on the basic safety factor of the method.

While not in support of animal cruelty I also don't know if it makes sense to take an "animal rights" position as rights are the legal reverse of a coin whose obverse is responsibilities - and animals can't knowingly consent to a social contract.

Is Jack Kodell still with us to offer an opinion on where he draws the line on which animals to use and how to treat them? I recall his book on parakeet magic was pretty clear about not risking the health of animals for tricks.
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Postby Curtis Kam » 02/16/11 03:02 PM

Wait--there are animal rights activists in China? Who knew?

And they're upset over what might be going on during a magic trick? Hope they never see Mac King's act.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/16/11 03:06 PM

This makes me laugh. In Beijing you can find people eating dogs, cats, rats, mice, seahorses (the latter two items served on a stick).
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Postby John LeBlanc » 02/16/11 03:57 PM

Curtis Kam wrote:Hope they never see Mac King's act.


Or Fielding West.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/16/11 07:12 PM

My favorite line: Bada ba, Bada ba, Bada baba. That's gold!

I would kill to see video of Larry Jones aka Baron Lavelle doing his goldfish manipulation act from back in the day. He made several TV appearances including Ed Sullivan and Capt Kanagaroo.

He produced cards, cigarettes, and goldfish.

Of course, when he was on Capt Kangaroo, they made him change the act.

He had to leave out the goldfish.

Can't have kids copying the magician and throwing the family fish on the floor, now can we?
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/17/11 12:48 PM

Ought to be interesting. Wonder if he's got the guts to show that he trained the fish to watch for a flag or octopus in a tank that's offscreen or such.

Then again one could also raise the point that human beings are animals and ...

Still seems unexpected to see an animal rights issue making news from China. Maybe it's a good sign.
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Postby Curtis Kam » 02/17/11 04:17 PM

As to animal rights activists in China, I know, right? I mean, we're the people (them more than me, personally) who gave the world this: Eating a fried fish while still alive

After that, the only reason making fish swim in formation is objectionable is because it's playing with your food.
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Postby Damian Odess-Gillett » 02/17/11 08:24 PM

Guys,

I think it's worth mentioning that it really doesn't matter whatever else they do or do not do in China. Some concerned citizens are speaking up on behalf of animals which cannot speak on their own behalf. I don't think there's much point in criticizing activists for that.

(Except, of course, that it's kind of fun. I get that. But still.)

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Postby Master Payne » 02/17/11 08:32 PM

I too can't really see what all the fuss is about. A friend of mine brought me back a bottle of 3 snake wine. Supposedly a Chinese delicacy.

So it's OK to pickle snakes in a bottle of cheap wine but not magnetize goldfish?
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Postby erdnasephile » 02/17/11 08:41 PM

This reminded me a little of when Harry Anderson "ate" Skippy on SNL.

There were so many horrified calls from animal lovers during the show, Skippy was forced to make a curtain call so that people would know he was OK.
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Postby Magic Newswire » 02/17/11 10:02 PM

I'm always surprised what people find interesting. I ignored this story when I found it a couple of days ago. Guess I missed it.
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Postby Tom Stone » 02/17/11 11:25 PM

Curtis Kam wrote:Wait--there are animal rights activists in China? Who knew?

With a population 4+ times larger than the U.S. (of all the people in the world, 1 of 5 are Chinese), I'm guessing there are enough people to cover all ends of the spectrum.
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Postby Doc Dixon » 02/18/11 06:38 PM

Apparently after America's Foremost passed away, Willy went into the fish training business.

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