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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/06/11 09:32 PM

Am I the only person really excited about this?

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Postby Jim Maloney » 02/06/11 09:36 PM

Nope, not the only one. And not just this, but Thor and Avengers as well.
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Postby Eric DeCamps » 02/06/11 09:36 PM

I didn't know you were fan of the first avenger.

My understanding is that the avengers movie is being filmed on LI t the Grumman studios. The studio is located right across the street from the magic shop in Hicksville.

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Postby Magic Newswire » 02/06/11 09:39 PM

I'm excited for a good Cap movie. Hope this is it.

BTW.. anyone excited about a new Three Stooges movie?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/06/11 10:00 PM

Please don't bring those three gentlement into a discussion of Captain America!
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Postby Magic Newswire » 02/06/11 10:21 PM

Hah.. couldn't help it. It's filming here and I'm working on it
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Postby Magic Newswire » 02/07/11 10:15 AM

Back to the subject at hand... yes I'm interested and hopeful that we'll finally get a good Captain America movie, but I felt the same about the Green Hornet.
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Postby Magic Newswire » 02/07/11 11:26 AM

Here's a youtube link to the commercial that ran on TV last night during some sporting event that was supposed to be a big deal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpaXaL9OxYc

While we're talking about Avengers. what about Thor? Also coming soon from Marvel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOddp-nlNvQ
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/07/11 11:58 AM

There's a huge setup for an Avengers movie.
Like the JLA project a few years back - many a slip tween the script and the screen. We'll see.
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Postby Doc Dixon » 02/07/11 12:39 PM

Jonathan Townsend wrote:There's a huge setup for an Avengers movie.
Like the JLA project a few years back - many a slip tween the script and the screen. We'll see.


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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/07/11 12:45 PM

The Green Hornet sucked bollocks. Seth Rogan is an idiot and the people at Sony are morons for letting him screw up that potential franchise. But I liked the guy who played Kato.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/07/11 01:28 PM

Richard, you sure you didn't just want that expresso machine?

As Doc hinted, there's a Sherlock Holmes II ready to roll out.
And in a few months BBC's second season of Sherlock is happening.

The casting for The Avengers and IMDB listing is already up.

The JLA project - you can find scattered mention in some interviews about that. It could have been very good. Perhaps better than the Watchmen project.
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Postby Doc Dixon » 02/07/11 01:54 PM

Jonathan Townsend wrote:As Doc hinted, there's a Sherlock Holmes II ready to roll out.


My inspiration was Kelly, not Holmes.
Kelly is a much better fit for Cap.

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Postby Jim Maloney » 02/07/11 02:13 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:The Green Hornet sucked bollocks. Seth Rogan is an idiot and the people at Sony are morons for letting him screw up that potential franchise. But I liked the guy who played Kato.


Really? It looked fun in the trailer. :(
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/07/11 03:03 PM

Okay, rightoutous it is:

maybe folks will get so tired of sitting there watching lousy imitations of comicbooks in the movie theater that they will get out and find those old comicbooks and enjoy the originals.

:D

But no, wait, they've optioned an Apokolips movie - wonder who's gonna play Darkseid and who's gonna play High Father? No comment how far they're gonna take Big Barda. ;)
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/07/11 03:08 PM

Jim Maloney wrote:...
Really? It looked fun in the trailer. :(


You could also say that of the Russ Meyer films.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/07/11 03:21 PM

Green Hornet was bad.

Liked Sherlock Holmes, both film and new BBC, and looking forward to more of both.

Looking forward to Thor with trepidation. That's really going to be hard to get right, though the trailers have been promising.

Joe Johnson looks like he's going to knock it out of the park with Captain America. It's a period film and has the Red Skull. As Harry Knowles would say, "I'm geeking out already."

I'm not convinced at all about Josh Whedon doing The Avengers. The Hulk is always a problem. Every Hulk movie has sucked because they've never cracked the essential problem of convincing you that Banner and the Hulk are the same being. I hope they do better on that in The Avengers and am waiting eagerly to see Hawkeye finally make an appearance.
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Postby Ivanovich » 02/07/11 03:25 PM

Doc Dixon wrote:
Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.


One of my favorite movies. Let's hope that they don't spoil the memory and remake Kelly's Heroes!

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/07/11 03:27 PM

Also some trepidation on Thor here - too easy to compare with the plotline of Little Nicky.
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Postby Ivanovich » 02/07/11 04:05 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:Looking forward to Thor with trepidation. That's really going to be hard to get right, though the trailers have been promising.


I have high hopes. Kenneth Branagh, I'm told, read EVERY issue of the comic he could find as prep before going into his first production meeting. At least he has a feeling for the character.

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Postby AJM » 02/07/11 04:16 PM

The God of Thunder rode out one day
Upon his prize bred filly
'I'm Thor', he cried
The horse replied,
'You've forgotten the thaddle, thilly'


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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/07/11 05:03 PM

Uh ... Branagh's record as a film director is not encouraging.
Frankenstein? Crap.
Hamlet? Not crap.

There's really no way to tell if this is going to be awful.
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Postby erdnasephile » 02/07/11 09:09 PM

At the risk of my losing my Huffington "ex-nerd" designation: although I'm excited for the new Cap movie, I gotta point out that he was hardly the "first avenger" (if we are talking Silver Age Marvel).

At least Thor was actually in Avengers #1!
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/07/11 09:16 PM

In what year did Cap loose Bucky?
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Postby erdnasephile » 02/07/11 11:21 PM

Near the end of WWII, but Bucky is still alive and kicking today as the new Cap (for now).
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/07/11 11:30 PM

Not sure how they're gonna play the retcon (retroactive continuity) stuff in the movie but the basic comicbook stuff is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucky

Did you like what they did with Galactus, The Watcher and the Ultimate Nulifier in that last Fantastic Four movie?
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Postby RJ_Hunt » 02/08/11 03:13 AM

What a bunch of nerds...Captain America is WEAK...Gimme any one of the Fantastic Four over Captain America any day. I mean what can he do??? At least in FF you got a chick who can be invisible, one guy who can stretch, another who flies around on fire and yet another who turns into a sub-human rock. Captain America...gimme a break, the only thing he's got going is a uniform that most of the members of the Village People would kill for...LOL!!!!

Please note I'm only busting chops and to be honest I'm looking forward to the movie as I am a huge Marvel Comics fan...How much you wanna bet they get Samuel L Jackson or Ice Cube to play the Falcon if the franchise takes off...ooooh...Now were talk'in.

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Postby Jim Maloney » 02/08/11 11:13 AM

RJ_Hunt wrote:How much you wanna bet they get Samuel L Jackson .. to play the Falcon if the franchise takes off...


He's already playing Nick Fury. ;)

They really have an awesome lineup of actors for The Avengers:

Robert Downey Jr. - Tony Stark / Iron Man
Scarlett Johansson - Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow
Chris Evans - Steve Rogers / Captain America
Jeremy Renner - Clint Barton / Hawkeye
Chris Hemsworth - Thor
Mark Ruffalo - Bruce Banner
Samuel L. Jackson - Nick Fury
Cobie Smulders - Maria Hill (this was just confirmed)

And with Joss Whedon writing and directing it, the movie should be freakin' awesome.
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Postby erdnasephile » 02/08/11 12:29 PM

Hey, RL -- underestimating Cap is a mistake many super villains make! :grin:

Jim: I agree--in theory, the Avengers movie should be great, but as with most films, I think that Whedon as scriptwriter is what will play the largest role in whether the movie is worth seeing.

For me, the big problem with high-power superhero movies is the more powerful the heroes, the harder it is to find a villain powerful enough and interesting enough to carry the movie. (See Iron Man 2: Whiplash was a pretty minor challenge to shellhead in the comics and it showed--they really should have gone for the Mandarin after setting it up in the first movie.)

I'm hoping they at least go to Ultron, Kang, or Thanos level for the Avengers.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 02/08/11 01:09 PM

And yet we throw a fit when a blogger calls us a bunch of (ex) nerds.

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Postby Jim Maloney » 02/08/11 01:20 PM

Brad Henderson wrote:And yet we throw a fit when a blogger calls us a bunch of (ex) nerds.

Hmmmmmm

Of course we do! Clearly we're NOT ex-nerds.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 02/08/11 01:26 PM

Jim Maloney wrote:...Clearly we're NOT ex-nerds.


X-Nerds? ahem.

If TWAolDC/Wildstorm had the foresight they'd do Planetary and we'd have the three to enjoy instead of the Fantastic Four (due for a reboot, yes?) and not have to see Galactus lost in the fog as we sit by like Watchers to be appalled but not interfere.
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Postby Smurf » 02/09/11 03:39 PM

"Did you like what they did with Galactus, The Watcher and the Ultimate Nulifier in that last Fantastic Four movie?"

No way! Awful! Galactus is an interesting personality as are many of the cosmic beings and his veiled history and reasonings leave you wanting more. I wanted no more of the Galactus in the last FF movie.

I would also love to see the characters Thanos and Adam Warlock in a film. A crossover with Darkseid and Thanos would be fabulous!
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Postby Doc Dixon » 02/09/11 05:06 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:. The Hulk is always a problem. Every Hulk movie has sucked because they've never cracked the essential problem of convincing you that Banner and the Hulk are the same being. I hope they do better on that in The Avengers and am waiting eagerly to see Hawkeye finally make an appearance.


Oddly enough, it's the TV series, not the movies that seemed to crack the code for the Hulk. It was "The Fugitive" with a big green "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde" thrown in and, for better or worse, it worked. Tough to do that same thing in a movie.

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Postby erdnasephile » 02/09/11 08:38 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:I'm not convinced at all about Josh Whedon doing The Avengers.


Richard:

I'm not a "Buffy" fan and had my doubts before I read his comics work:

If you haven't yet, you might take a look at Whedon's run on "Astonishing X-Men" -- http://www.amazon.com/Astonishing-X-Men ... 126&sr=1-1

One of the best comics reads I've had in a long time.

He handles team books and the superhero genre pretty well, so hopefully his script will be strong in the movie.

PS: He's also pretty funny when he wants to be: See "Dr. Horrible" with NPH.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/09/11 08:55 PM

Have you seen "Alien Ressurection"? I don't hate it, but the tone is entirely wrong. It seems to me to be a combined problem of both the screenplay and an idiot director. (Well, not an idiot, just the WRONG guy to make that film.)
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Postby Jim Maloney » 02/09/11 09:32 PM

Go watch Serenity. Really great movie. Also Firefly, the TV show that led to the movie. Just awesome stuff.

Joss himself has had some harsh words about Alien Resurrection and what they did with his script:
Uh...you know, it wasnt a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending, it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines...mostly...but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong that they could possibly do. Theres actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking, because everything that they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from the script, and people assume that, if I hated it, then theyd changed the script...but it wasnt so much that theyd changed the script; its that they just executed it in such a ghastly fashion as to render it almost unwatchable. (Pauses) Good times. (Pauses again) Well, I really must go...


On another note, he wrote Toy Story. And that was fantastic.

The thing that's great about him and why I think he's perfect for The Avengers, is that one of his fortes is taking groups of disparate individuals and making them into a sort-of family: the Scooby gang in Buffy, the crew in Firefly, etc.

When he's able to do things his way, the results are fantastic. Compare the original Buffy movie to the Buffy TV series. VERY different animals...the TV show was far more of Joss's vision for what it should be. He had very little input into the movie (as is generally the case with first-time screenwriters).

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 02/09/11 10:16 PM

Here is the list of writing credits on Toy Story taken from the Internet Movie Database:

Writing credits
John Lasseter (story) &
Pete Docter (story) &
Andrew Stanton (story) &
Joe Ranft (story)


Joss Whedon (screenplay) &
Andrew Stanton (screenplay) and
Joel Cohen (screenplay) &
Alec Sokolow (screenplay)

I wouldn't say that Josh Whedon "wrote" Toy Story.
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Postby erdnasephile » 02/09/11 10:35 PM

Jim Maloney wrote:...The thing that's great about him and why I think he's perfect for The Avengers, is that one of his fortes is taking groups of disparate individuals and making them into a sort-of family: the Scooby gang in Buffy, the crew in Firefly, etc.


1+, Jim

That's what makes Whedon's X-Men run stand out--they all came across as individual characters with strengths and foibles, often played against type. Yet, they have realistic relationships woven throughout, and Whedon makes the audience care--which is what it's all about IMHO.

Contrast that with Spider-Man 3, where a bunch of characters got thrown together, bereft of any meaningful character development. Consequently, nobody really feels anything by the payoff at the end. Same is true for the glut of mediocre films who rely on 3D effects to "entertain."

It's a movie version of "the adventures of the props in the magician's hands".

Whedon's a fanboy, so I believe he'll do right by the Avengers franchise. Hopefully they'll give him the time and money to tell his story.
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Postby Jim Maloney » 02/10/11 10:52 AM

Richard Kaufman wrote:I wouldn't say that Josh Whedon "wrote" Toy Story.

Official credits are tricky. Like, for example, how Joss wrote every line of dialogue in Speed, but didn't get any credit for it whatsoever.

His contributions to Toy Story were quite significant. In his own words, "It was not a polish; it was a rewrite and with animation youre writing with every visual."

It's worth reading this interview in which he talks about a number of projects he's worked on (including all of the above mentioned movies). But here's the info about Toy Story:
And then you got the Toy Story call.
And they sent me the script and it was a shambles, but the story that Lasseter had come up with was, you know, the toys are alive and they conflict. The concept was gold. It was just right there.
...
I went up to Pixar ... and wrote for, I think, four months before it got greenlit, and completely overhauled the script. There was some very basic things in there that stayed in there. The characters were pretty much in place except for the dinosaur, which was mine. I took out a lot of extraneous stuff, including the neighbor giving the kid a bad haircut before he leaves. There was a whole lot of extraneous stuff.

...

So you spent four months on Toy Story?
I spent about four months on it before we got the green light. When we got the green light and the script was approved and they were putting it together, I walked away, started doing other things, then came back a couple months later.

They had shut the movie down. I went up to Pixar, and they actually said, Listen, were having to shut down for a while because were having story problems. Many of you are going to be laid off, and Joss is here to fix the script.
...
So we sort of went back into the trenches and made sure we had everything we needed and nothing we didnt. And then, you know, as is always the case with animation, I spent another couple of months on it and then it got reworked somewhat from there. I think one of the last things that was added certainly it was after my time, and its the thing I most wish I could take credit for was the crane-worshippers.

The little 3-eyed aliens.
I think I spent more time explaining that I didnt come up with that than anything else.

How much time altogether did you end up investing in the project?
More than six months. It was not a polish; it was a rewrite and with animation youre writing with every visual. Every shot is up on a board somewhere, so youre writing in great detail. Its a very fluid and complicated process.


Also, later on, regarding the writing credits on Toy Story:
Then more than a year later John Lasseter called me and said, I want to give all the animators who worked on the story credit on Toy Story. And I said, Sure.
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