Should [censored] Stay or Go?

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Postby Mark Phillips » 01/22/10 08:57 PM

I think he should be required to post a video link just to give us all a little perspective.
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Postby Randy Sager » 01/22/10 09:08 PM

I had a couple of run in's with Mark about ten years ago on one of the bulletin boards. I don't even remember what the problem was.

I have seen time periods here on the forum when Mark hasn't been allowed on at all. I think Richard knows better then anyone when it is or isn't time to send Mark to his room to think over what he has done and not let him out till he can behave himself.

Let him Stay.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/22/10 09:15 PM

I'm doing a little cleaning up here ... let's keep it clean and above the belt, please.
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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/22/10 09:16 PM

Mark Phillips wrote:I think he should be required to post a video link just to give us all a little perspective.


You were indeed "too nasty" but your editing is too late. Everybody can see in my last post what you said. Hack I may be but I can assure you that I am a very experienced hack. I have drawn more crowds in one year than you have done in your entire life. And I have drawn more crowds in my life that every single trade show "performer" put together.

There are only 3 videoclips available of me working. None of them show me drawing crowds. You will have to take my word for it. With regard to the others seek and ye shall find.
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Postby Mark Paulson » 01/22/10 10:30 PM

[censored] is a hoot. Let him stay.
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Postby Lee Almond » 01/22/10 10:47 PM

Mark is like a banny roster who loves to makes noise and swing whatever he thinks he has in his little cyberspace. Let the banny go find another place to crow. Peace ya all.
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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/22/10 11:13 PM

Lee Almond wrote:Mark is like a banny roster who loves to makes noise and swing whatever he thinks he has in his little cyberspace. Let the banny go find another place to crow. Peace ya all.
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Changed your mind have you? I saw what you wrote before you edited it a few minutes ago. Ten minutes ago you said you were in favour of me. Worse than a bloody woman.

Check your palm. I bet you have two head lines. That always means that you chop and change your mind.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/23/10 12:14 AM

I'm finding the whole thing fascinating.
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Postby Brian Marks » 01/23/10 12:45 AM

The kid who said the emeror has no clothes does not have an account here.

I voted he stay. Use the ignore feature and move on with your life.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/23/10 12:53 AM

It's actually a larger problem--using the "Ignore" feature only makes a person's post invisible to you. It doesn't stop them from derailing threads and running them into the ground.
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Postby NCMarsh » 01/23/10 01:00 AM

What time do the polls close?
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Postby Bob Coyne » 01/23/10 01:22 AM

It seems to me that the energy and number of interesting/informative threads here have picked up since Mark has been back on. There might be a bit more noise from the people who don't play well with him (and vice versa), but overall I think he's a great asset to the forum and would hate to see him kicked off. I also like how he stuck up for Glenn Bishop when several people here were piling on. That was a sign of decency and integrity.
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Postby Al Hastings » 01/23/10 01:34 AM

The bigger question should be: Why couldn't he be featured in an edition of genii?!

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Postby Bill Duncan » 01/23/10 01:58 AM

I have, on occasion found Mark's humor to get old, but when he chooses to be even semi-serious he's one of the best things on the board.

Weeks go by and the only thing I see on Genii are threads about people selling crap. If I see Mark's name on a thread, at least I know it will be worth stopping in...
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Postby James Munton » 01/23/10 02:19 AM

I am outraged that this is even being discussed. I have returned to this forum for one important post. I would just like to add something before this thread gets yanked.

[censored] is the mother I never had. Okay, I do have a real mother, but if I didn't, Mark would definitely be a most wonderful surrogate. For several years he has guided me both professionally and spiritually.

My entire hypnotism career is completely due to his wonderful instruction. The fact that it only lasted two shows is not his fault and it did result in an appearance on a National Geographic television show. The fact that the show was about alien abductions and not hypnosis as was first intended is also not his fault.

In addition to the hypnosis instruction, I have learned so much about the history and performance of magic from Mark. In an age of YouTube and Google, it is of great value to have a bridge to the past. How many magicians do you know who can say they actually met Robert-Houdin?

Yes, he can be argumentative and boisterous. But in the same way an Oxford don spars with his brightest pupils, pushing and pulling and groping around on the floor, sometimes in unseemly positions, it is always with the sole purpose of bringing out the very best from his protgs.

[censored] cares deeply about magic and his passion can sometimes appear curmudgeonly. He can be especially ill-tempered after a long spell at a psychic fair. But that is because the only way he can heal others is by absorbing their pain. The man is practically a saint, for goodness sakes.

I disagree with Al. [censored] should get the cover story.
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Postby Jamie D. Grant » 01/23/10 02:46 AM

Hmmmmm. I'm very selective about where I post on the Genii forum but I think I might have something to contribute here.

I love Genii (I also love Magic Magazine, iTricks, and well, I guess I love a lot of things ~I'm a positive person, after all). I also think that Richard does an amazing job- running the magazine and this forum must be so much work that I am in awe.

So,in an effort to help, I offer the theory that the real question is not whether [censored] should stay but rather, does [censored] help, or hurt, Genii with regards to this forum?

Personally? I think he helps. I know I come back to read what he says because I get it (I hope, lol). Unfortunately, I can't speak for others. Do people stop posting or reading because he's here? I doubt it. Controversy always sells newspapers.

Perhaps another couple of good questions might be:

A) Why are the viewing numbers incorrect here on Genii~ I'm talking about when looking at the Genii Forum List and it says '46 viewing'. Readers want accuracy, I think, and this just doesn't give confidence to what people think they'll find here. Unless those numbers are true- then I absolutely apologize. If the numbers are accurate though, then why aren't those people posting? And that leads me to the next thought...

B) How can Richard get people back here, to write? After the Members Only trial, this board has never really seemed to recover. And I think that needs to be looked at. This board has some of the most amazing, intelligent, and thoughtful people in magic yet it just doesn't have the posting traffic. Something needs to change, and I don't think it's [censored]...

We're all in this together,

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Postby Jolly Roger » 01/23/10 02:48 AM

It is really upsetting me that my old friend [censored] is getting a whole thread devoted to whether or not he should be banned. This [censored] adoration will make his already enormous ego go straight through the roof!!

Having said that.........ofcourse he should stay. The man is brilliant, talented, witty, and sadly often misunderstood by so many who actually think he is being serious. If he goes, I go!(which I am sure will delight some!)Good to see Munton back. Here is another chap who has much to contribute on so many levels. Ofcourse, Munton must be ignored on his incorrect comments about Mark guiding him spiritully. I have tried to guide both Lewis and Munton in this department, but sadly it is still proving an uphill battle! JR
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Postby David Oliver » 01/23/10 03:02 AM

I say, let him stay. After all, his "Cardiographic" effect has become a classic, ever since he performed it on his "Magic Land Of Allakazam" television show way back in... what?.... huh?... oh, nevermind. Let's just hope he fixes health care for the rest of us.
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Postby Richard Perrin » 01/23/10 04:38 AM

Look back to snap illusion topic. Just wonder if the month of February will happen as he said. If he failed then he goes or if he's right then he stays. Just a thought. ::wink::
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Postby Matthew Field » 01/23/10 05:45 AM

There are lots of people in magic I find insufferable, and [censored] is sometimes one of them. But he's knowledgeable,experienced in magic, stimulating, occasionally funny and one can easily skip the posts one wishes to skip. That does not mean he should be banned. He obviously wants to be on here, and I think he should be allowed to remain. Thumbs up!
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Postby Ian Kendall » 01/23/10 08:03 AM

Mark's harmless (but he'll hate me for saying that). If you ignore him, there's no problem.

As for derailing threads, if you have him set to ignore, you won't know if the thread has gone off track, and can bring it back without trying.

I vote for stay.

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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/23/10 08:19 AM

I am not sure whether to be pleased or irritated with Munton's endorsement. I am, however delighted to see him return here. We can continue to have pointless discussions concerning the merits of the Choo-Choo trick and the demerits of the Hot Book.
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Postby espermachine » 01/23/10 08:34 AM

Stay. [censored] is an institution...
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Postby Jim Sisti » 01/23/10 09:45 AM

espermachine wrote:[censored] is an institution...


I was about to agree with this but then discovered I had read it incorrectly...
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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/23/10 09:57 AM

I see that Sisti is trying to be funny. He is certainly trying.
As for the funny part may I point out that there is funny ha-ha and funny peculiar. I rather think he leans to the latter rather than the former.
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Postby 000 » 01/23/10 10:34 AM

Lewis 'ol boy, look on the bright side.
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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/23/10 10:45 AM

Scoff as much as you like, my boy, but perhpas you should look at the voting figures. Even American presidents only seem to win by around 53% of the vote. I have 71% at the time of posting. If the most powerful man in the world only gets 53% then I think I am doing rather well in comparison. So stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/23/10 11:05 AM

David Oliver wrote:I say, let him stay. After all, his "Cardiographic" effect has become a classic, ever since he performed it on his "Magic Land Of Allakazam" television show way back in... what?.... huh?... oh, nevermind. Let's just hope he fixes health care for the rest of us.


Not me old chap. You are thinking of Martin Lewis.
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Postby Glenn Bishop » 01/23/10 11:11 AM

I vote stay.
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Postby Jolly Roger » 01/23/10 11:19 AM

Did anyone besides me see [censored] on BBC televisions's Crackerjack? He was almost as wellknown for that show in the UK as Mark Wilson was for his show in the US. At least, that is the impression I have always got from Mark. JR
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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/23/10 11:41 AM

What an odd coincidence! Roger will no doubt see some spiritual force at work but oddly enough yesterday I searched through internet references to me and Crackerjack and couldn't find a thing. I would love to go through old BBC archives to see if there was anything there. I was known in those days as Ronnie McLeod and that was the name I was on television with.

I was not in the same league as Mark Wilson admittedly but I was indeed on the show many times and at one point on a weekly basis. It was in the days when Michael Aspel was the host and he was actually a very polished and good one. Munton will be devastated to hear that on one show I performed the Dr Sacks dice trick that he hates so much. It is excellent for television because the camera can come right up the hands for a great close up shot of what is happening.

I upset many magicians who thought they should be on the show rather than me including Ali Bongo and John Wade who made very negative remarks purely through sheer jealousy. The producer told me that they didn't want John Wade on the programme any more because all he did was old tricks. I remember John Wade being very rude and obnoxious to me as a young magician and I have never forgotten it. That is why I find it difficult to follow Munton's advice about being nice to magicians.

Incidentally I was the first magician to appear on colour television in the UK and I have recorded this historic fact in my memoirs that will be coming out shortly.
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Postby Roger M. » 01/23/10 12:03 PM

So let me get this straight.
Some itinerant posters have declared that they've left the forum because Mark is posting here?

Who are they?
I'd like to see their contributions to the forum over the last five years compared to Mark's contribution.

A few "big names" who post infrequently and post short and vapid responses won't be missed by anybody.

I've been around here for quite a while, and frankly I haven't been missing anybodies posts........so who the heck has "left the building" that we are supposed to care about?

Of course Mark should be allowed to remain here with the rest of us.

Frankly in light of this thread, if I were Mark I'd wait until the thread was essentially complete and then leave the forum in disgust, the entire "vote" being uncalled for in the first place.

In general, magicians are lucky to have Mark around. Anybody not seeing that really don't deserve his company to begin with.

(I don't agree with everything Mark posts, but who cares?.....what does that have to do with him posting here?)
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Postby James Munton » 01/23/10 12:25 PM

The producer told me that they didn't want John Wade on the programme any more because all he did was old tricks.


Does that imply that when you performed the Dr Sacks dice trick on the show it was actually a new trick? My goodness, that must have been a long time ago. Did they let you do your famous die-from-nose ending? Or did the trick just fizzle out as per the original version?

Crackerjack was one of my favorite shows as a kid. Did they give you a Crackerjack pencil?
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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/23/10 01:39 PM

Actually I think the only one who has "left the building" is Quentin Reynolds but that is understandable. I haven't seen anyone else leave and in fact I seem to have encouraged some new people.

Unfortuantely one of those new people is Munton. To answer him the Dr Sacks dice trick was a very old trick even when I did it on Crackerjack. However, the producer had never seen it before so to him it was a new trick. He has seen John Wade's crap many times before so he called that "old tricks". And yes, I did let the trick fizzle out without producing the two dice from my nose.

I well remember leaving the stage door and seeing the waiting crowds outside asking the various entertainers for their autograph. I was furious that nobody showed the slightest interest in getting mine. I walked to the tube station very disturbed about it. Finally I could stand it no longer and returned to the television studio on the pretext that I had forgotten something. I tried again and this time when I left somebody recognised me and I signed autogrpahs galore.

As for fan mail all I got were letters from disgruntled punters who had been daft enough to buy svengali decks from me all over the country and wanted either their money back or bemoaning the fact that they couldn't do it and they wanted me to teach them.

And no. I didn't get a crackerjack pencil. And I cringe to think that Munton was watching me when he was a child.
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Postby James Munton » 01/23/10 01:42 PM

Oh, no. I am far too young to have seen you on the show. I was watching in the late seventies.
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Postby Mark.Lewis » 01/23/10 01:56 PM

I think I was on in the seventies. I was there when Michael Aspel was the host anyway. When was he on?

Anyway I have been on television many times both as a psychic and as a magician. I do sell a DVD of me appearing on a cable television show for a full hour as a psychic. Included is a 20 minute bonus section of me performing close up magic when I was young and hairy.

If anyone is interested in this the price is $50. For Forum members I will not charge extra for postage. I take Paypal. Let me know if anyone is interested.

It was in the light of this television experience that I felt tempted to shoot my mouth off on the Shawn Farquahar thread. I won't do anything like that again. I don't think I would have liked it if I had to put up with magicians dissecting my work when I appeared on Crackerjack.
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Postby Doc » 01/23/10 02:41 PM

Jim Sisti wrote:
espermachine wrote:[censored] is an institution...


I was about to agree with this but then discovered I had read it incorrectly...


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Postby Dick Christian » 01/23/10 03:43 PM

Keep him! His rare combination of encyclopedic knowledge and ascerbic wit make him someone's national treasure -- not necessarily ours, but someone's I'm sure.
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Postby Stefan Alexxis » 01/23/10 04:38 PM

Every art needs its gladflies. Magic seems to need them more than most.
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Postby Doug Thornton » 01/23/10 04:47 PM

I dont know [censored] but from this forum Ive learned a lot about him.

Just reading one of his posts gives a clear sense of his personality. I agree, Stefan, gadfly is apt.

Yes, his its all about [censored] persona can be comical and off-putting at once and yet his grammar and spelling are impeccable.

His knowledge of magic and old-timers is welcome. We need more people to keep us in touch with our magical past.

He reminds me of Pat Page or Howie Schwartman or Denny Haney if any of them developed a self-centered attitude.

I dont understand why members dont want to post because of him.

I voted to keep him.

Could we just vote him off this particular thread?
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