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Postby Rob UK » 08/25/09 06:14 PM

Evening Genii-ites,

Please forgive this quick card sleight question.

What's the difference between the Derek Dingle no-lap switch and Vernons substitute transfer?

I have a few tricks that teach each move, but they both seem the same to me.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 08/25/09 06:54 PM

What do you mean by "Vernon Substitute Transfer?"
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Postby Tom Frame » 08/26/09 08:59 AM

I suspect that he is referring to Vernon's Strip-Out Addition.
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Postby rkosby » 08/26/09 08:40 PM

Does anyone remember where the Vernon Strip-Out Addition was first published? I can't. But I never did it with the steal described in the No Lap switch 2nd application in The Complete works of Derek Dingle.
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Postby Joe Pecore » 08/26/09 09:43 PM

"The Lost Inner Secrets" says that the strip-out addition was published in Vernon's Ten Card Problems (1932).
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Postby Rob UK » 01/13/10 09:01 AM

Oh my, I just read this thread, thinking it was an interesting question, only to find that it was originally posted by myself!

I didn't mean to ignore everyone who replied, I didnt receive any kind of email notification that a reply had been made (I thought I was supposed to..)

At this stage I cannot remember which books I was reading that taught these moves (A Paul Gordon book springs to my memory as I believe he uses the no lap switch in a few effects)

it's basically a switch of 4 out jogged selections for the bottom 4 cards of the deck (or any number). I'm not sure how far I can describe it here in this forum.

I think I'd read the same move description given these two different titles so wondered if i was missing something.

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Postby mrgoat » 01/13/10 09:10 AM

Rob UK wrote:Oh my, I just read this thread, thinking it was an interesting question, only to find that it was originally posted by myself!

I didn't mean to ignore everyone who replied, I didnt receive any kind of email notification that a reply had been made (I thought I was supposed to..)

At this stage I cannot remember which books I was reading that taught these moves (A Paul Gordon book springs to my memory as I believe he uses the no lap switch in a few effects)

it's basically a switch of 4 out jogged selections for the bottom 4 cards of the deck (or any number). I'm not sure how far I can describe it here in this forum.

I think I'd read the same move description given these two different titles so wondered if i was missing something.

Rob



You can go into as much detail as you want. RK is sensible enough to realise that magicians discussing method on a forum isn't a problem. Unlike all the stupid UK forums that make you put T****TIP etc.
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Postby Rob UK » 01/13/10 09:29 AM

Well, I received an email for that reply.... Things are looking up!

The move as I know is is where you get 4 cards outjogged as selections, and during that you get a break above the lower 4 cards. These are the cards to be switched in.

The 4 selections are angle jogged to the left slightly and the deck is held in the right hand from above in a biddle style grip Your left hand comes forward from under the deck to take them. It also carries with it the bottom 4 cards, and keeps a break between these 4 and the 4 selections.

You then briefly touch the deck and the stripped out cards together, picking up the cards originally outjogged onto the bottom of the pack, leaving you with the 4 cards for the bottom masquerading as the 4 selections.

Phew!

I think I've seen this on a Sankey DVD described as the Vernon Substitute Transfer, and I'm sure PG describes the same move as the Derek Dingle No lap Switch.

So i was wondering whether they are the same move, or I;m missing some subtlety in one of the moves that distinguishes it somehow.

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