Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

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Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby Philippe Noël » July 11th, 2009, 4:18 pm

In 1975, John Murray published in cavalcade 3 a trick called Four-Way Coincidence. The trick was later republished by garcia in The Close-up Magic of Frank Garcia. The trick consisted in making a prediction,then by "concidence", finding the other three mates of the prediction. In Murray's method, he stocked the deck beginning from the face of the deck. A friend of mine showed me a way to stock the deck beginning from the back of the deck. Any idea who evolved this last method?

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby Scott M. » July 16th, 2009, 10:57 am

A similar effect is Yves Doumergue's "Ten for Ten," which is demo'd in the "Talk about Tricks" DVD. It combines the prediction aspect with a kind of "Stop" trick handling to come up with the three mates.

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby El Mystico » July 16th, 2009, 12:27 pm

The two versions you mention are slightly different. The version in the Garcia book works from the face of the deck, reversing the order of the cards as you go through. The version in card Cavalcade works from the back of the deck.

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby Philippe Noël » July 17th, 2009, 5:44 am

Hi El Mystico,
Yes, you are right.
When I wrote my question, I had only read Garcia's version and thought it was the same as Murray's version. Then I received Cavalcade 3 and discovered that the version I was looking for was indeed Murray's version which I personally find much superior to Garcia's version.
Thank you for your answer anyway.

Philippe

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby Bob Farmer » July 17th, 2009, 7:59 am

This is a great trick. I used it for many years.

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby NicholasD » July 22nd, 2009, 3:53 pm

I saw Johnny Murray lecture in the mid-seventies and 4 way Coincidence was one of the tricks we were all doing for a long time after that. Here it is almost 35 years later and I still use this and two other items from his lecture.

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby Bob Farmer » July 22nd, 2009, 4:26 pm

His book is very good: INSIDE JOHN MURRAY by John Murray, published in 1984. Bill Wells did the illustrations.

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby shirtlesskirk » November 6th, 2009, 5:53 pm

I am curious what are the other two items that you use? John was the first real close up magician I had seen when I was a young teenager. I am curious if the other two items you mention are in his book.

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby seanmacfarlane » November 7th, 2009, 12:01 pm

Someone emailed me the method for this too a while back and its really good. I forgot it now. Is this in print anywhere?

Sean

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby shirtlesskirk » November 7th, 2009, 3:06 pm

Its in CARD CALVACADE 3 by Jerry Mentzer.

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Re: Four-Way Coincidence by John Murray

Postby Ricky Difeo » September 12th, 2010, 10:37 am

Hi Boys!

You can check the followings in these way:

-- >Larry Jennings - Prefiguration - The magic od Larry Jennings

and

---> Ramon Riobbo (Cuatro coincidencias in "La Magia Pensada" - Editorial Pginas or One in the Pocket in the Semi Automatic Card Trick Vol 4 -Steve Beam

Thanks. Buena Suerte . Pardon for my bad englishhh!!
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