R.I.P. Michael Jackson

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Postby AJM » 06/25/09 05:25 PM

Better hold off bidding for those O2 concert tickets for the time being...
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Postby greg manwaring » 06/25/09 06:09 PM

Magic fan and entertainer extraordinaire Michael Jackson has reportedly passed away.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 06/25/09 06:14 PM

From CNN - taken to hospital after heart attack / revived.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/0 ... index.html
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Postby Gord » 06/25/09 06:16 PM

The report of his death came from gossip site TMZ.com and it seems all the press is running with it.
I think maybe we should wait until an official announcement.
Either way, having a cardiac arrest can't be good.

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Postby greg manwaring » 06/25/09 06:20 PM

Well I certainly hope it isn't true. Stunned me. I can only imagine the pressure he is always under due to lawsuits and whatnot.
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Postby Matt Sedlak » 06/25/09 06:25 PM

meh...one less child molester off the streets if you ask me...even if he did make Thriller
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Postby Gord » 06/25/09 06:33 PM

Well it seems that it is true.
I stand corrected and hang my head at a human loss.

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Postby Joe Mckay » 06/25/09 07:03 PM

He was never found guilty in a court of law. RIP to a legend...

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Postby Dustin Stinett » 06/25/09 07:24 PM

Setting all controversy aside, the man was a remarkable talent. He was also among the first pop/rock stars to use magical illusions (versus special effects) on their tours (Earth, Wind, & Fire, Alice Cooper), so he was indeed a friend to magic. And of course, Ed Alonzo was working with him on this new tour, so its a shame for Ed in that regard.

Its been a tough couple of weeks for the entertainment industry: David Carradine, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett (this morning), and now MJ.

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 06/25/09 07:41 PM

I don't morn for child molesters, no matter how talented they are. (And before you remind me that he was acquitted, I'll remind you that he paid the boy's family 20 million bucks. You don't do that when you're innocent.)
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Postby greg manwaring » 06/25/09 07:42 PM

I actually storyboarded Michael performing a proposed illusion designed by David Copperfield for Michael's tour in 91 or 92. I didn't see the tour so don't know if that illusion was in there.

I also remember Michael Ammar teaching him some magic privately. I suppose other magicians on here did the same thing, as well as probably performed privately for him.
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Postby Tom Dobrowolski » 06/25/09 08:06 PM

Dustin Stinett wrote:Setting all controversy aside, the man was a remarkable talent. He was also among the first pop/rock stars to use magical illusions (versus special effects) on their tours (Earth, Wind, & Fire, Alice Cooper), so he was indeed a friend to magic. And of course, Ed Alonzo was working with him on this new tour, so its a shame for Ed in that regard.

Its been a tough couple of weeks for the entertainment industry: Keith Carradine, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett (this morning), and now MJ.

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I think you meant David Carradine....
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Postby Mark Paulson » 06/25/09 08:18 PM

There are rumors that Jeff Goldblum died today in New Zealand. Not yet confirmed...

http://www.manolith.com/2009/06/25/jeff ... red-death/
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 06/25/09 09:02 PM

That would be bizarre if true, but no more bizarre than the fact that despite not being a superstitious person, these sorts of celebrity deaths do seem to come in groups of three.
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Postby Donal Chayce » 06/25/09 09:04 PM

The Goldblum thing was a hoax.
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Postby Mark Lewis » 06/25/09 09:18 PM

I am sorry to hear this. I gave Michael Jackson a psychic reading once. I still have a copy of the tape. I must listen to it again.

Controversy aside he was very talented.
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Postby Dustin Stinett » 06/25/09 09:26 PM

Tom Dobrowolski wrote:I think you meant David Carradine....

I did. Thanks!
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Postby Steve Bryant » 06/25/09 09:44 PM

For the week, Ed McMahon makes three. Enough!
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Postby Nicholas Carifo » 06/26/09 12:02 AM

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/michael-jacks ... rest/24344

From US Magazine Online:

"Michael Jackson's close friend Uri Geller still can't fathom that the King of Pop has died. 'I'm devastated. I just don't want to believe it,' he told Usmagazine.com when reached by phone Thursday evening."
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Postby jason156 » 06/26/09 12:59 AM

What irony. Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson dying on the same day. Farrah was every little boy's fantasy, and every little boy was Michael's fantasy.
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Postby Richard Perrin » 06/26/09 02:30 AM

I remember watching him do the performing during the Halftime of the Superbowl. I knew he didn't flew himself out of the field!
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Postby greg manwaring » 06/26/09 02:54 AM

He must have foretold it. He should have warned Michael.
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Postby Francesca Moffet » 06/26/09 05:19 AM

Personally speaking I have never considered Uri Geller to be a magician.

It was a tad strange watching him do a Q & A session at International Magic last year. I've always considered him to be an entertainer rather than a magician.
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Postby 000 » 06/26/09 06:26 AM

As much as wacko's interaction with young boys can only be described as wholly inappropiate (sharing a bed with a 12 yr old) this c/would account for his $20 million settlement.

Which doesnt make him a child molester or pedophile.
But I reckon his face risked falling apart before reaching old age anyway.
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Postby Dale Shrimpton » 06/26/09 06:47 AM

greg manwaring wrote:I actually storyboarded Michael performing a proposed illusion designed by David Copperfield for Michael's tour in 91 or 92. I didn't see the tour so don't know if that illusion was in there.

I also remember Michael Ammar teaching him some magic privately. I suppose other magicians on here did the same thing, as well as probably performed privately for him.


i did.I recall the Ilusion work quite well. There was the jet pack switch, and a rather cool floating vanishing glass coffin during thriller,which finished up with MJ appearing way above the stage in a plume of smoke.

the staging for thriller was "busy" with dancers, and multi puppet skelingtons, roaming around in the u.v gloom.
Lovely stuff.

M.j. His art, a masterpiece.. His life, no oil painting. :)
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Postby Mark Lewis » 06/26/09 07:43 AM

That last sentence of Francesca's was quite funny. Think about it............
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 06/26/09 07:54 AM

Reading the news - had an auditory accompaniment - it was as if a ghost chorus of older children materialized singing "we are the world, we are the children". My feelings remain as mixed as the message of that song for the knowing.
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Postby Dustin Stinett » 06/26/09 10:37 AM

I merged the two MJ threads into one because one is more than enough.

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Postby Bill Mullins » 06/26/09 10:45 AM

The guy was a freak, and it's quite possible that his kids' lives will be better with him out of the picture.

Jackson had the patent on a leaning illusion that was used in his "Smooth Criminal" video. I've seen Krystyn Lambert do a similar effect on "Masters of Illusion".

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Postby Dustin Stinett » 06/26/09 11:18 AM

Thats pretty interesting considering the illusion (and basic method) goes back aboutif not more thana century.

My wife was pretty cheesed off yesterday. She was unhappy that the news of that freak shows death overshadowed that of a good and courageous woman [Farrah Fawcett]. My only consolation to her was that they probably werent on the same escalatorif you know what I mean.

Im tired of hearing about him already. I swear, this morning instead of telling me what floor I was on, the talking elevator in my building asked me if Id heard about MJ.

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Postby Tom Frame » 06/26/09 11:48 AM

Richard Kaufman wrote:I don't morn for child molesters, no matter how talented they are. (And before you remind me that he was acquitted, I'll remind you that he paid the boy's family 20 million bucks. You don't do that when you're innocent.)


I agree completely. I've treated numerous child victims of abuse. Witnessing the devastating impact it has on them is heartbreaking.

Jackson did much more harm than good. I rejoice that we have one less predator to worry about.
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Postby Bill Mullins » 06/26/09 12:00 PM

Dustin Stinett wrote:Thats pretty interesting considering the illusion (and basic method) goes back aboutif not more thana century.


That's why lawyers (including patent lawyers) get the big bucks.

Jackson's patent may only include tweaks to the basic idea, or maybe the basic idea was never patented, and so "prior art" wasn't setting a precedent.
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Postby Charles Spector » 06/26/09 12:10 PM

Richard,

Famous people die in threes because when the fourth one dies they start at one again.
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Postby Bill Mullins » 06/26/09 12:18 PM

BTW, Google Patents is an interesting place to search for magic stuff. Useful search terms include "illusion apparatus", "tenyo", "Mark Setteducati", "Pressley H. Guitar", "Houdini", "coin magic", "card magic", etc.
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Postby IrishMagicNews » 06/26/09 12:46 PM

Here is a link to an interview with Uri Geller on Sky News talking about the death of his friend Michael Jackson.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/ ... rchresults

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Postby IrishMagicNews » 06/26/09 12:50 PM

I have just found the full on interview on youtube.

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO3GnIkfa6c

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxv5Kb_9Pow

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Postby Roger M. » 06/26/09 12:55 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:I don't morn for child molesters, no matter how talented they are. (And before you remind me that he was acquitted, I'll remind you that he paid the boy's family 20 million bucks. You don't do that when you're innocent.)


Nor do I...not for a second.

Singing and dancing well or being famous isn't a free ticket to molest kids, although for some California juries, it seems it's a "Get Out of Jail" card.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 06/26/09 08:56 PM

Let's hope he's not just undead.
From pop icon to boogie man... I start to wonder.

In the man's own words - perhaps now better understood:

This magic music grooves me, that dirty rhythm fools me
The devil's gotten to me through this dance
I'm full of funky fever, a fire burns inside me
Boogie's got me in a super trance

....
Don't you blame it (Sunshine)
You just gotta (Moonlight)
You just wanna (Good times)
Yeah, oh (Boogie)

Blame it on yourself (Sunshine)
Ain't nobody's fault (Moonlight)
But yours and that boogie (Good times)
All night long (Boogie)

Can't stop that boogie (Sunshine)
Ain't nobody's fault (Moonlight)
But yours and that boogie (Good times)
Dancin' all night long (Boogie)

Blame it on yourself (Sunshine)
Ain't nobody's fault (Moonlight)
But yours and that boogie, boogie, boogie (Good times)
All night long (Boogie)


He came so close to being peter pan.
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Postby Richard Stokes » 06/27/09 07:22 AM

Some years ago I saw Frontline's brilliant analysis of the Little Rascals child abuse case. I was astounded by how a modern judicial system could issue life sentences against innocent people based on zero evidence.
Most chilling was the prosecuting zealot - a beautiful trendy lawyer - who came so close to destroying all their lives.
A similar miscarriage of justice happened in Outreau, France very recently.
So, without hard evidence, I think we should be careful about branding Jackson as a criminal pedophile.
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Postby AJM » 06/27/09 07:57 AM

How very interesting JT....

however, the fact the the lyrics to that song were not Michael Jackson's own words immediately renders your wistful post redundant.

The song was written in 1978 by (German born) Mick Jackson, David Jackson and Elmar Krohn.

And Richard - MJ freely admitted in the televised interview with Martin Bashir that he shared his bed with young boys so I think we should be careful about branding him entirely innocent.
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