When I first came in contact with this thread, I read all the posts. One stood out like a red flag. It was my friend Richard Kaufmans post where he stated "The best routines and sleights to use with the Okito coin box are David Roth's. They are light years ahead of what anyone else has ever done, even in the 15 years since I wrote David Roth's Expert Coin Magic. Don't bother to fool around with the other stuff: learn David's material."
Richard's remarks are, in my opinion, colored by his friendship with David Roth and the fact that he published David's book.
In his response to my post comparing the Okito Coin Box work of Frank Thompson with that of David Roth, Richard stated that, "it is well to keep in mind that there is no love lost between David and Harvey, and I would say that Harvey, despite his inevitable protest, is not the best judge of David Roths work with the Okito Box."
Richard is quite correct that David Roth is not one of my favorite people. However it is insulting when he imputes that, because I do not like David personally, my comparison of his Okito Coin Box work with Frank Thompsons cannot be fair-minded. I have never stated anywhere, to anyone, that Davids work with the Okito Coin Box was deficient in any respect. In fact, I have praised his work in this area to many people. In my recent post I stated that, "I am well familiar with the Okito Coin Box work of David Roth It is very good." I mean that sincerely.
Richard never met Frank Thompson and obviously never saw him do any of his Okito Coin Box magic. His evaluation of Franks work in this area, as he states, is based on having seen Howie Schwarzman perform some of Franks coin box magic. In his opinion, Richard states that the Frank Thompson Okito Coin Box work that he saw Howie Schwarzman perform "was good, but it did not compare to the Roth material." The last sentence of his post is my favorite: "Now that's just my opinion, of course, but it's worth something, isn't it?" Since he asked a question, he certainly deserves a frank answer -- No Richard, your opinions regarding Frank Thompson, whom you never saw work, is worth less than nothing!
I knew Frank Thompson well and spent a great deal of time with him, especially after I moved to Maryland from New York City in 1970. We got together frequently and Frank shared a great deal of his card and coin magic with me. I have known David Roth since he was about 12 years old. As I mentioned earlier, I am very familiar with his Okito Coin Box work. Over the years I have seen him do a number of his Okito Coin Box routines and have read everything he has published in this area. My comparison of the Okito Coin Box work of Thompson and Roth is based on an intimate knowledge of their work in this area. I did not denigrate Roth's Okito Coin Box magic. I simply indicated that in comparison to Frank Thompson's sleights and routines, it was not nearly as good. My opinion is shared by many knowledgeable magicians who have seen both Thompson and Roth work.
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