Turnovers-Carlyle & Tenkai

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Postby Bob Farmer » 03/06/09 05:38 PM

I would be most appreciative of any references for the following two moves:

The Tenkai Turnover

The Carlyle Turnover

I checked Magicpedia and Card College and could not find anything.

I recall seeing The Tenkai Turnover in a book or trick by Martin Gardner, but I don't know which one.

I checked for the Carlyle move in Roger Pierre's book on Carlyle, but so far I haven't found it.

Any help would be most appreciated.
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Postby David Ben » 03/06/09 06:01 PM

Bob

Carlyle's move is in Phoenix, issue 48, page 146.
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Postby Jim Maloney » 03/06/09 06:02 PM

I'm 95% sure the Carlyle Turnover is described in Card College, though maybe not under that name. Denis Behr's site gives some other sources.

As far as the Tenkai item, I assume you're referring to the Optical Revolve, which can be found in Tarbell, Vol. 1. It's described as part of "Tenkai's Reverse Cards Mystery".

Hope this helps.

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Postby Bob Farmer » 03/06/09 06:17 PM

Thank you. Deni's site list is here:

http://archive.denisbehr.de/archive/rou ... 10,745,488
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Postby Joe Pecore » 03/06/09 06:27 PM

I've seen the the "Carlyle Turnover" also called the "Vernon/Carlyle All Backs Move" if that helps any.
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Postby Bob Farmer » 03/06/09 06:31 PM

Denis Behr's list is excellent. The best current reference for both moves is in Nick Trost's book, SUBTLE CARD CREATIONS VOLUME 1 by Nick Trost (H&R Books 2008).

See: Carlyle False Turnover pp. 255-257.

Tenkai Move pp. 292-294.

Both of these entries contain many historical details, so they are great. Thanks fellow friends of the conjuring demi-monde.
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Postby Joe Pecore » 03/06/09 07:39 PM

FYI - I just happened to stumble across the Carlyle Turnover while looking for something else in Bruce Elliott's Classic Secrets of Magic (1953) (see page 36).
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 03/06/09 07:48 PM

Is this the paddle move with card(s)?
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Postby Bob Farmer » 03/06/09 08:07 PM

Jonathan: yes, the Carlyle move is the paddle move with a card.

Joe -- thanks for the reference -- that's a great book. I looked it up and the explanation is a bit thin. The one in the Trost book is excellent because it has a series of drawings by Tony Dunn.
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Postby Lee Almond » 03/08/09 12:27 AM

Check out "Focus" page 32, the effect is Back Gammon by none other than Phil Goldstein. BTW Focus is an excellent book. Peace all.
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Postby Philippe Billot » 03/08/09 06:35 AM

According to Daniel Rhod, the False Turnover (with card) was first described in Great Magicians' Tricks (1931) by Will Goldston and attributed to Douglas Dexter. See the effect The Mystic Star.
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Postby Philippe Billot » 03/08/09 09:50 AM

Jim Maloney wrote:I'm 95% sure the Carlyle Turnover is described in Card College, though maybe not under that name.
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See Card College, Vol. 5, page 1305.
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Postby Jim Martin » 03/08/09 10:39 AM

Thanks for finding that, Philippe - it's odd that the move isn't listed in the Card College Index.
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Postby Harry Lorayne » 03/08/09 01:13 PM

I described the Carlyle Turn way back in a 1986 (I think) issue of APOCALYPSE. Do some research, folks. HL. (I'm sure I taught it in one of my books prior to that, but I'll let you check it out.)
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Postby Bob Farmer » 03/08/09 02:28 PM

Thanks fellows. The late Nick Trost has an excellent history of the move in SUBTLE CARD CREATIONS VOLUME 1. He notes it first appeared under Carlyle's name in "Carlyle's Card," The Phoenix, No. 48, Nov. 19, 1943. Carl Herrmann (1816-1887) also used the move in the 1950s (no source for this).

Using a business card it appears in "The Mystic Star" by Douglas Dexter in Goldton's GREAT MAGICIANS TRICKS (1931).

Another reference with no author is "The Card In The Mirror" in IRELAND'S YEARBOOK 1942 (the move is used with a pocket mirror).

Vernon used the move in his "All Backs" routine in HUGARD'S MAGIC MONTHLY June 1949.

If you hop over to the thread on Hamman's "Interplay" you will see what all this in in aid of. I've come up with another use for it which I'm just typing up. Anyone who wants one -- see my note over at "Interplay."
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Postby DomC » 03/16/09 10:48 AM

Check out the "Turnover Turnover technique" in "Card Dupery" By J.K. Hartman (Triumphantics Chapter).

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