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Cups and Balls

Postby flynn » February 3rd, 2009, 2:48 pm

Who makes the best cups? I need to retire my aluminum lemon loader and get something that will take larger loads.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby MagicBilly » February 3rd, 2009, 2:54 pm

A bit of a loaded question, but I have always been a fan of Johnson cups, primarily for that heavy feel. For larger loads, I have heard nothing but good things about Gazzo cups.
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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Darryl Harris » February 3rd, 2009, 3:39 pm

There's no real answer to your question. It all goes to personal taste, style, and disposable income.
I have tried a number of sets, including Sisti, and Johnson. I used the copper cups Magic Inc. issued, the ones that look like Ross Bertrams cups, for years.

But ... I finally settled on the cups made by Jim Riser. I am currently using the Riser Standard Cups, & I couldn't be happier. I don't think I'll be buying any more cups. These suit me just fine.
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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Kent Gunn » February 3rd, 2009, 4:08 pm

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby erdnasephile » February 3rd, 2009, 5:46 pm

+1 for the Sherwood Cups being the "best" (whatever that means :) )

In the category of "I'm sadly not made of money--just need some really nice cups" :grin:, I favor the Johnson Cups. They are readily available, and are of a very high quality. There is also a perfectly matching Johnson chop cup, if combo cup routines are important to you.

Mr. Riser used to have a truly brilliant fully illustrated webpage about how to select cups which was extremely informative/helpful--it had information I found no place else, written by an expert. Perhaps if you emailed him, he might consider putting it back up again.

Good luck in your search!

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby flynn » February 3rd, 2009, 8:05 pm

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not in the "happily made of money" category thats for sure so I wont be getting Sherwood cups anytime soon. I remember John Mendoza talking about his cups costing over a couple grand. But I'm looking for nice copper or bronze cups that I can get for around one fifty.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Gerald Deutsch » February 3rd, 2009, 9:16 pm

Why not use coffee cups and dollar bills? See the Charlie Miller routine in Bruce Elliott's "Classic Secrets of Magic"

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Jonathan Townsend » February 3rd, 2009, 9:34 pm

That cup through cup but is a real corker using coffee cups.

Any thoughts on using the paper cups and producing filters full of grounds as final loads (safer than hot coffee ;) )?

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby David Alexander » February 3rd, 2009, 11:34 pm

We have two great resources on Cups on this forum: Jim Riser and Bill Palmer. At the moment Jim's site has taken down his many cups and I can't access Bill's museum site. Either one can give you excellent advice. When it's up Jim has a highly informative tutorial on how to buy a set of cups...what to watch out for so you aren't ripped off.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby David Alexander » February 3rd, 2009, 11:47 pm

You can get a nice set here for a reasonable price:
http://www.harriesmagic.net/engelsk/catalogCups.html

or you might try this chap:
http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums/ubb ... ber=185687

His offer may still be open.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby SoMd » February 6th, 2009, 10:56 pm

Owen cups are also very nice. But you should definitely check out Jim Riser's cups.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby KirkG » February 7th, 2009, 10:17 pm

Please don't use coffee cups and paper balls. Give the trick the respect that it deserves and use cups that are interesting, work well, nest without wobbling and so forth. If you must use coffee cups, at least don't use a table knife for a "magic wand".

There are several Paul Fox clones on the market now, so use one of those. They are available from ~$100-$200.00.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Richard Hatch » February 7th, 2009, 10:28 pm

Kirk wrote:Please don't use coffee cups and paper balls. Give the trick the respect that it deserves and use cups that are interesting, work well, nest without wobbling and so forth. If you must use coffee cups, at least don't use a table knife for a "magic wand".

I consider this very poor advice, not knowing the performance context. Mike Skinner did a great routine using coffee cups on the Tonight Show. Bob White does a great routine with paper coffee cups. John Carney does a wonderful one cup routine with a coffee cup, a borrowed bill, a knife (as wand), with the lemon produced at the end being cut open with the knife to reveal the spectator's bill. Vernon himself published a great impromptu routine using glasses covered with paper in the STARS OF MAGIC series. Gerald Deutsch's earlier post mentioned Charlie Miller's routine. Carney, Skinner, Vernon, Miller and White, all experts with the cups, chose on occasion to perform it without "fancy" cups. I am guessing that the impression on spectators is magnified when using "normal" objects for the routine. As beautiful as some cups are (the Sherwood cups in particular), I am sure to laymen they appear to be suspicious magician's props, despite having them examined as some routines do. The cups then get the credit, rather than the performer, to those audiences who don't appreciate, as we do, their history and aesthetic qualities.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Joe Pecore » February 7th, 2009, 10:35 pm

Kirk wrote:Please don't use coffee cups and paper balls. Give the trick the respect that it deserves and use cups that are interesting, work well, nest without wobbling and so forth. If you must use coffee cups, at least don't use a table knife for a "magic wand".


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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Jonathan Townsend » February 7th, 2009, 11:32 pm

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About the cups... so fancy you can't imagine anything but 'special' about them - yet the way folks treat them is ... well less than special.

Then again having only two hands I gave up wondering why cups come in sets of three. Also why they don't work so well for the three shell game sleight.

I'm too scared to even ask why folks are so eager to show off that their wives knit sweaters for their balls.
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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Jonathan Townsend » February 8th, 2009, 12:17 am

flynn wrote:Who makes the best cups? I need to retire my aluminum lemon loader and get something that will take larger loads.


Probably easier to get you a good answer if you state your basic needs in terms of how you handle the cups and any style issues/preferences as cups go from straight sided to curved and stack differently when hiding extras.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby flynn » February 8th, 2009, 10:33 am

I like the ones that look like little kegs that have the concave bottom. The traditional goblet look, copperor bronze, like Johnson's cups. I'll get used ones as long as its not too scuffed up and no dents. I don't do any fancy handling with them. I do routines petty much like any other routines i.e. false crotchet loading, crotchet going thru the cups I would like to load oranges, avacados, small stuff animals and baseball size balls. The only loads I use with the cups I currently have are small lemons, lime, juggling balls and balled up bills. Thanks to everybody thats replied. I've been googling some of the cups that have been suggested.

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Re: Cups and Balls

Postby Pete Biro » February 8th, 2009, 1:20 pm

Check www.rnt2.com they have a huge selection at bargain prices as they are going out of biz due to health reasons.
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