Kid talking about his purchases from Penguin

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Postby Jon Allen » 01/13/09 06:08 AM

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry!

A kid has bought a load of stuff from Penguin and is talking about what is good and what isn't good. Are there are vast number of people in the same position but not putting their feelings on You Tube. I wonder if it is for real?

I think he could become an Internet star!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8k5jcGwjVKw
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Postby Ian Kendall » 01/13/09 06:23 AM

Someone posted on another forum that this is a good example of what happens when the bricks and mortar shops close down. If the boy had been given the opportunity to talk about his purchases instead of blowing 150 dollars to get a special offer he might not be so dismissive of material that is so far out of his level.

If ever there was an advert for the benfits of mentoring, this is it.

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Postby Matthew Field » 01/13/09 07:55 AM

Just shoot me.

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Postby Richard Hatch » 01/13/09 12:52 PM

Great review of Card College 2 & 3 (no need even to take the latter out of its shrink wrap!)...
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Postby El Mystico » 01/13/09 12:57 PM

Maybe he is right? Maybe Giobber (sorry, I can't pronounce Italian names) is garbage?
On the other hand, how come a kid that age has $150 to blow on a hobby he has only been into for less than a month? Can I adopt his grandparents?
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Postby NCMarsh » 01/13/09 01:22 PM

His YouTube profile lists him as "comedian"

If it is parody I think its brilliant.
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Postby Dick Christian » 01/13/09 01:55 PM

Ian hit the nail right on the head. Here is a young kid who saved up his money to spend it on magic, made his purchases on the Internet and is now likely to be turned off about magic. It is possible that with some guidance and mentoring -- or better yet a local brick and mortar magic shop run by someone of intergity, experience and a genuine love of the art -- he might be the next generation's David Copperfield. If anyone needs proof of the deleterious effect of the Internet on magic, this video, and many of the magic bulletin boards, newsgroups and forums (other than this one) is it.
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Postby Pete McCabe » 01/13/09 02:02 PM

You may be right, Dick. But it's possible that if it weren't for the Internet this kid would never have even tried magic. If the Internet gets a hundred more kids interested in magic, and 98 of them have the same experience as this kid, that's still a net gain of 2 more kids interested in magic.

That said, I certainly agree that a good mentor or human magic shop owner could have made a huge difference. If a hundred kids get interested in magic and 50 of them have a positive experience in a magic shop, that's obviously a whole lot better.

The question is, how can we use the power of the internet to provide this kind of guidance? Every problem carries its own solution.
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Postby Jon Allen » 01/13/09 02:24 PM

I agree that if it is a parody then it is very well done. Thee are other videos listed of people opening up Ellusionist packages they have got in the post.

The trick "Sucker Born Every Minute" could also be a clue... or not.

If the Internet does spawn, from one hundred kids, 2 more kids who show an interest in magic and may go on to learn skills and presentations, that still leaves 98 who can do damage without them.
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Postby NCMarsh » 01/13/09 03:27 PM

I love "I've been in magic three days...I'm really good...."

I really hope it is satire...then again, for a while I held onto the hope that Sarah Palin was actually a brilliant improvisational comic and that the couric interviews were performance art...we'll see with this kid....

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Postby Ian Kendall » 01/13/09 03:49 PM

I'm not convinced it's satire. Yes, he claims to be great after three weeks, but I would be amazed if a ten (twelve, thirteen?) year old would have _that_ good a grasp of the world in order to write and perform _such_ a good parody.

Given that he made four posts in as many days, and then dissappeared, points me to the conclusion that he had the intention of continuing, but after the derogatory comments, gave up.

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Postby Joe M. Turner » 01/13/09 04:24 PM

NCMarsh wrote:I love "I've been in magic three days...I'm really good...."

I really hope it is satire...then again, for a while I held onto the hope that Sarah Palin was actually a brilliant improvisational comic and that the couric interviews were performance art...we'll see with this kid....

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Postby Dave Egleston » 01/20/09 12:17 AM

Matthew Field wrote:Just shoot me.

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Matt,

I can't wait to eventually meet you, maybe you could explain to me what you mean by that comment.


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Postby David Vamer » 01/20/09 04:32 AM

"Misled....not what I expected."

Ha!
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Postby Gord » 01/20/09 11:27 AM

David Vamer wrote:"Misled....not what I expected."

Ha!


I feel for the kid on this one. I was into magic mere months also when I purchased Misled, and it was not what I expected either, but I would soon find out very little in magic what I expected.
But then, that's half the fun.

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Postby Doc Dixon » 01/20/09 12:18 PM

Maybe I'm being too kind here, but the primary cause of this kid's attitude isn't Penguin/internet magic shops. Years ago kids far away from magic shops would order the big hardbound Tannen's catalogue and buy stuff that wasn't for them. I'm sure most of us did this sort of thing. I know I did.

Of course, I'd like to think most of us thought "Whoa, this book is over my head," not "Hugard and Braue suck". That's the problem here. It's not a internet problem, at least not totally. The problem is this kid is a cocky brat.

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Postby erdnasephile » 01/20/09 12:44 PM

Doc:

That's a great point...

I remember the very first time I spent over $100 on a magic purchase--it was Mike Caveney's Linking Coathangers, and I was in my first year of college. (Even then, I agonized for quite a while over whether to really invest that large amount of money.)

Even accounting for inflation, a kid this young dropping $150 on a 3 week old hobby is perhaps a reflection on the way our society looks at spending on non-essential purchases these days.

I know I sound old ("walked 10 miles in the snow, etc. :grin:), but I can't help but think that those that grow up with less tend to really value the more limited, infrequent purchases they are finally able to make after saving for long periods of time.

To wit: since I could only get perhaps one or two books a year (birthday and Christmas, natch), I would squeeze the information out of those books until they were dry. I would then learn how to perform everything in them. (CUCM comes to mind). This is probably not the norm in 2009.

It's obviously too late to turn back the clock on our current culture, and it's surely not reasonable to depend on dealers to be purveyors of spending restraint (with a nod to JS), but I'd like to think those lessons of a more frugal era have served me (and others) well during our years in magic.
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Postby Gord » 01/20/09 01:12 PM

For a bit I wondered what this kid is going to do when he finally does finish Card College 1, but then I realised he's probably not going to get it now.
His loss.

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Postby George Olson » 01/20/09 03:47 PM

But our gain, Gord!

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Postby Tim Ellis » 01/25/09 07:44 AM

And Penguin's... financially...
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Postby Pepka » 02/02/09 12:33 AM

I loaded a few of his videos on my iPod and showed them to the world's best magic dealer, Denny Haney. I've never heard him laugh so hard.
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Postby MarkR » 02/02/09 09:03 PM

Pepka, You could have charged money for that.
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Postby Magic Newswire » 02/06/09 12:58 PM

I hadn't seen this until I interviewed Paul Wilson. He talked about this when we were discussing the future of teh mentor student relationship. I laughed and cried a bit when I saw it as well.
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Postby jason156 » 02/10/09 07:13 AM

This young man would have been far better off by visiting his local library...
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Postby Brendan » 02/25/09 12:19 AM

Why is penguin mentioned in this thread when the kid got his stuff from ellusionist?
Did anyone even read the description on the video?
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Postby Richard Perrin » 02/25/09 02:42 AM

What did the kid said? I went and saw him showing his stuffs but could not understand everything he said. Can anyone type every words he say so I can read. I guess I am the only one in this forum is not laughing or smile.

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Postby John Signa » 02/25/09 01:55 PM

Brendan wrote:Why is penguin mentioned in this thread when the kid got his stuff from ellusionist?
Did anyone even read the description on the video?

The kid states 45 seconds into the video that his order was from Penguin.
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Postby Silly Walter » 03/04/09 09:26 AM

Richard Perrin wrote:What did the kid said? I went and saw him showing his stuffs but could not understand everything he said. Can anyone type every words he say so I can read. I guess I am the only one in this forum is not laughing or smile.

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Would you be kind enough to rephrase what you wrote in English? Thanks.
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Postby Richard Perrin » 03/05/09 06:58 PM

Sorry, english is my second language. Just want someone write what this kid said in the video so I can read why somebody laugh about.
Sign language is my first language.
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Postby Brendan » 03/16/09 11:41 PM

John Signa wrote:The kid states 45 seconds into the video that his order was from Penguin.


Doh, I was too busy reading the title.
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