CRISS ANGEL LEAVING BELIEVE?

Discuss the latest news and rumors in the magic world.

Postby Magic Newswire » 01/08/09 07:22 AM

In his most recent column in the Las Vegas Review Journal, Norm dropped in a tibit on a David Darkstone sighting which implied rumors of him as a replacement for Criss Angel in Believe. READ MORE
User avatar
Magic Newswire
 
Posts: 2468
Joined: 03/29/08 12:32 PM

Postby CraigMitchell » 01/08/09 07:27 AM

Where they come up with this material is fascinating ... David Darkstone ???

I saw his show with Will Roya at the New Frontier eons ago & it was just awful :-(
User avatar
CraigMitchell
 
Posts: 1235
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: Magic

Postby Magic Newswire » 01/08/09 11:28 AM

It's the first I've heard of it anywhere. I got one email suggesting it was a rumor started to get people in to see it "while Criss was still the star."

Interesting thought.
User avatar
Magic Newswire
 
Posts: 2468
Joined: 03/29/08 12:32 PM

Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/08/09 11:48 AM

It's not surprising, because we're expecting something to happen. It's also not surprising this would come from Norm, since Criss threatened to poke his "good" eye out (he only has one eye).
However I'll believe it (and/or anything else) when it's a done deal.
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine
User avatar
Richard Kaufman
 
Posts: 20546
Joined: 07/18/01 12:00 PM
Location: Washington DC

Postby Magic Newswire » 01/08/09 12:16 PM

Another suggestion is that Darkstone is to be Angel's understudy.
User avatar
Magic Newswire
 
Posts: 2468
Joined: 03/29/08 12:32 PM

Postby Magic Newswire » 01/08/09 12:50 PM

Seems he only has a MySpace page? That seems a bit weak for a "top performer."
User avatar
Magic Newswire
 
Posts: 2468
Joined: 03/29/08 12:32 PM

Postby CraigMitchell » 01/08/09 01:23 PM

I doubt that casting DD as an understudy would solve the inherent problem the shows faces. Would be interesting to see a couple months from now how this all plays out ...
User avatar
CraigMitchell
 
Posts: 1235
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: Magic

Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/08/09 02:08 PM

Craig, you don't understand the situation. Casting him as an understudy would mean that he would be in rehearsal and able to perform the show at any time. Then, when Cirque managed to get Criss out, they would be able to continue the show with major changes without having to deal with Criss.
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine
User avatar
Richard Kaufman
 
Posts: 20546
Joined: 07/18/01 12:00 PM
Location: Washington DC

Postby David Vamer » 01/08/09 03:02 PM

Considering the show's....difficulties....it would be suicidal to remove the ONLY reason ANYONE is showing up.

Who wants to see a bad show with NO celebrity?
David Vamer
 
Posts: 151
Joined: 10/16/08 03:15 AM

Postby flynn » 01/08/09 03:18 PM

It would be cool if they replaced him with Cyril. He's won stage competitions and his chops and presentation are I wanna say at least 300 percent better. I think he'll make some suggestions on how to make it a better show and his ideas will most likely be seriously considered being that he's pretty creative.
flynn
 
Posts: 223
Joined: 03/14/08 04:58 PM
Location: Phoenix AZ

Postby David Alexander » 01/08/09 03:57 PM

As I understand it, the entire show is so poorly constructed that it just doesn't work. I have people I've known for years, long-time pros, telling me I should see the show because I'll never see anything this bad again.

Removing Criss is one step. The next step would be to re-design the show so that it's something a lot people want to see and leave thinking they received value for their money.

I was told the following story - a man who saw the show was demanding his money back. The woman handling the situation asked what the problem was. She was told the problem was the seat.

She asked what the problem with the seat was. The man responded, "It faced the stage."
David Alexander
 
Posts: 1550
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: Aurora IL

Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/08/09 04:04 PM

I would imagine there has been a lot of backstage head-butting between Criss and Cirque. Each of them is probably now thinking how much better the show would be if they could just get rid of the other and change the show without interference from the other party.

So, getting rid of Criss would allow Cirque to present an entirely new show without the star who has, as they likely feel, presented them from putting on the show they want.

It's entirely possible that you will see a Criss-less and more Cirque-like version of Believe in that theater, and also Criss in his own show in some other Vegas theater, all within 12 months.
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine
User avatar
Richard Kaufman
 
Posts: 20546
Joined: 07/18/01 12:00 PM
Location: Washington DC

Postby Pete McCabe » 01/08/09 04:09 PM

The rumor running around the Castle is that at some point Criss will be "injured" during the show, and so an understudy will be brought in (The Show Must Go On, and all that). At some point after that Criss will quietly move on to something else.
Pete McCabe
 
Posts: 2077
Joined: 01/18/08 01:00 PM
Location: Simi Valley, CA

Postby CraigMitchell » 01/08/09 04:12 PM

"Casting him as an understudy would mean that he would be in rehearsal and able to perform the show at any time. Then, when Cirque managed to get Criss out, they would be able to continue the show with major changes without having to deal with Criss."

The replacement would surely need to be performing a completely different version of the show ? And the show without a celebrity would now need to be so mindblowingly good - otherwise it would hardly be able to compete in the current entertainment landscape in Vegas.

And can Cirque deliver on such a show that has a flawed foundation ?

Looking at the scenario - I can't see 'Believe' continuing without Criss ( and if the reports are accurate, nor can it continue with him ) - if Criss departs & Cirque keep the venue, can Believe stay - surely it would be a permanent scar / reminder to Cirque of their "failure" ? And more importantly to audiences as well ?

Unless Believe version 2.0 with Criss works - the show is going to be tainted for a long time to come.

Contractually - it would be interesting to know the fundamentals of the deal and who is in the driving seat with regards to exit clauses, control over rights / venue etc.

If Criss does walk - what is the strategy to ensure he exits the deal with minimal negative PR ? And would another casino invest in a Criss Angel only show given what they've seen in Believe ?

But with the economy as it is - no matter what the end result ... no audience in attendance = no show, no matter what !
User avatar
CraigMitchell
 
Posts: 1235
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: Magic

Postby David Vamer » 01/08/09 04:48 PM

>>>I would imagine there has been a lot of backstage head-butting between Criss and Cirque.>>>

Criss has been told repeatedly that calling the woman a "bitch" does NOT set up the idea that Criss is the "bad bunny". Criss doesn't care.

There is also a "no replacement" clause in the contract, FWIW.
David Vamer
 
Posts: 151
Joined: 10/16/08 03:15 AM

Postby JordanB » 01/08/09 05:34 PM

David Darkstone. Wow. He was on the TV show "Cheaters" a while back. I don't believe it, but it's a funny idea.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6335001984
JordanB
 
Posts: 103
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: Arlington, TX

Postby Magic Newswire » 01/08/09 05:56 PM

This still falls solidly in the realm of rumor, but phone calls to us from Vegas & Magic related sources since we first reported on this story say that they are hearing that Cirque is pulling out of Believe and that Criss will try and keep it going on his own. Again, still nothing but rumor and speculation at this point, but there ya go.. for what it's worth. Time will tell.
User avatar
Magic Newswire
 
Posts: 2468
Joined: 03/29/08 12:32 PM

Postby Ruben Padilla » 01/08/09 07:26 PM

That "Cheaters" segment had worse acting than an episode of Mindfreak.

Um, maybe not...
Visit www.MagiciansOnly.com for exclusive book, trick, DVD, & convention reviews!
User avatar
Ruben Padilla
 
Posts: 375
Joined: 01/20/08 01:00 PM
Location: Los Angeles

Postby Brad Henderson » 01/08/09 09:53 PM

Craig Mitchell wrote:Where they come up with this material is fascinating ... David Darkstone ???

I saw his show with Will Roya at the New Frontier eons ago & it was just awful :-(


Which means he's perfect for the job.

Brad
Brad Henderson
 
Posts: 2434
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: austin, tx

Postby Tim Ellis » 01/09/09 01:49 AM

If they do replace Criss, they need to do it with a big name in magic. Someone who is known worldwide and has many, many TV series under his belt.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gL7bIgcjcyU
www.AustralianMagician.com
www.TimEllisMagic.com
www.MagicUnlimited.com

User avatar
Tim Ellis
 
Posts: 829
Joined: 07/11/08 04:08 PM
Location: Victoria

Postby rkosby » 01/09/09 03:08 AM

I nominate David Williamson to replace Criss.

Ray
rkosby
 
Posts: 79
Joined: 03/13/08 03:28 AM
Location: MD

Postby Pete McCabe » 01/09/09 04:26 AM

rkosby wrote:I nominate David Williamson to replace Criss.

Ray


I would drive to Las Vegas right now to see that. No rehearsals, just put David on his first mark and start the music.
Pete McCabe
 
Posts: 2077
Joined: 01/18/08 01:00 PM
Location: Simi Valley, CA

Postby Justin Fraser » 01/09/09 09:48 AM

Justin Fraser
 
Posts: 41
Joined: 03/13/08 11:37 PM
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba

Postby Kevin Connolly » 01/09/09 10:16 AM

Spend some cash and get a classic.


Classic Magic Click Here <----
Please visit my website.
http://houdinihimself.com/
I buy,sell + trade Houdini, Hardeen items.
User avatar
Kevin Connolly
 
Posts: 2385
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: New Jersey

Postby Magic Newswire » 01/09/09 02:00 PM

Justin Fraser wrote:I nominate this guy.....

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=d00pTfhD4Vw


I just want a pair of those pants
User avatar
Magic Newswire
 
Posts: 2468
Joined: 03/29/08 12:32 PM

Postby Joe Pecore » 01/09/09 02:48 PM

Magic Newswire wrote:
Justin Fraser wrote:I nominate this guy.....

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=d00pTfhD4Vw


I just want a pair of those pants




I've seen the future of Rock'n'Roll Magic and it's name is Devlin.

Too funny!
Share your knowledge on the MagicPedia wiki.
User avatar
Joe Pecore
 
Posts: 1744
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: Northern Virginia

Postby Terry » 01/09/09 05:12 PM

Joe Pecore wrote:I've seen the future of Rock'n'Roll Magic and it's name is Devlin.

Too funny!


The man boobs, bouncing belly and wearing really bad pro wrestling pants. . .more like Criss' future. . .
Terry
 
Posts: 1243
Joined: 01/18/08 01:00 PM
Location: Kentucky

Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/09/09 05:49 PM

Don't mistake that put-on "Devlin" for Joe Devlin, who's very good.
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine
User avatar
Richard Kaufman
 
Posts: 20546
Joined: 07/18/01 12:00 PM
Location: Washington DC

Postby Magic Newswire » 01/09/09 05:51 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:Don't mistake that put-on "Devlin" for Joe Devlin, who's very good.


Quite true!
User avatar
Magic Newswire
 
Posts: 2468
Joined: 03/29/08 12:32 PM

Postby Tim Ellis » 01/09/09 07:21 PM

Well I thought The Masked Magician would be perfect because he's already a household name... but if you REALLY want someone of quality - you can't go past STALLION

http://www.stallionmagic.com/
www.AustralianMagician.com
www.TimEllisMagic.com
www.MagicUnlimited.com

User avatar
Tim Ellis
 
Posts: 829
Joined: 07/11/08 04:08 PM
Location: Victoria

Postby David Vamer » 01/10/09 03:57 AM

Stallion's assistant's bio...

NAME: RAMSEY GUNTNER

DUTIES: magical assitant, dancer

"Pageantry is a way of life, but life is a way of living it." These words sparked the fire that burns inside the beguiling Ramsey. A former three-time Miss Watsonville semi-finalist, Ramsey's desire to reach the pinnacle of medium-risk entertainment has led her to embrace Stallion's aromatic brand of tough, angry love.
___________________________________________

"Aromatic"??? Cooooooool!!!!!!!!
David Vamer
 
Posts: 151
Joined: 10/16/08 03:15 AM

Postby Tim Ellis » 01/10/09 07:13 AM

Stallion is "the only magician in America that guarantees every member of the audience will leave believing in magic."

HE GUARANTEES IT!
www.AustralianMagician.com
www.TimEllisMagic.com
www.MagicUnlimited.com

User avatar
Tim Ellis
 
Posts: 829
Joined: 07/11/08 04:08 PM
Location: Victoria

Postby Terry » 01/10/09 10:24 AM

Re Inside Stallion button makes me think we're about to see a colonoscopy.

With this kind of website is anyone still wondering why no one thinks of magic as anything but a geek hobby?
Terry
 
Posts: 1243
Joined: 01/18/08 01:00 PM
Location: Kentucky

Postby Magic Newswire » 01/10/09 10:32 AM

Terry wrote:Re Inside Stallion button makes me think we're about to see a colonoscopy.

With this kind of website is anyone still wondering why no one thinks of magic as anything but a geek hobby?



Hey.. at least Geek is the new black...

Sorry... bad fashion joke...
User avatar
Magic Newswire
 
Posts: 2468
Joined: 03/29/08 12:32 PM

Postby Dave Shepherd » 01/10/09 10:53 AM

Ack! One of those damn websites that forces you to listen to music when you hit it! And no "off" button!

OTOH, I could learn to get my California driver's license from Stallion, so that's something.
Dave Shepherd
 
Posts: 423
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: 15 miles w. of Washington, DC

Postby Dave Shepherd » 01/10/09 10:54 AM

A male member of the Stallion posse ("Team Cherokee"):

NAME: FELIX BANGS

DUTIES: stage assistant, dancer

Employee by day, dancer by night, Jewish by morning, Felix comes from an energetic family of urban movement pioneers. His go for it demeanor and "Mazel Love" attitude have made him a breakout sensation in the local groove scene. As founding member of Riblets - The Alfonso Ribeiro Appreciation Posse, Felix hopes his experience as a member of Team Cherokee will take him to the all-pro level!
Dave Shepherd
 
Posts: 423
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: 15 miles w. of Washington, DC

Postby rkosby » 01/10/09 01:20 PM

Isn't that web site a complete satire? I mean Majudoe?
rkosby
 
Posts: 79
Joined: 03/13/08 03:28 AM
Location: MD

Postby ropeadope » 01/10/09 02:16 PM

I nominate any magician to replace Criss who doesn`t have a swollen head and think he is God.
ropeadope
 
Posts: 8
Joined: 12/11/08 03:21 PM
Location: Pascagoula, Ms.

Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/10/09 02:51 PM

Does god have a swollen head?
Subscribe today to Genii Magazine
User avatar
Richard Kaufman
 
Posts: 20546
Joined: 07/18/01 12:00 PM
Location: Washington DC

Postby Jonathan Townsend » 01/10/09 03:55 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:Does god have a swollen head?


Which god?

(not gonna ask which head)
Jonathan Townsend
 
Posts: 6637
Joined: 01/17/08 01:00 PM
Location: Westchester, NY

Next

Return to Buzz