Hand mucking

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Postby David Thomas » 12/09/08 02:24 AM

Does anyone know of any good sources to learn handmucking?

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Postby The Magic Apple » 12/09/08 02:46 AM

Tony Giorgio's Ultimate Work DVD
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Postby Mike Masaveg » 12/14/08 11:01 AM

There is also Paul Wilson and Jason England's Unreal Work DVD and the book the Art of Hand Mucking by George Joseph
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Postby Tenthumbs » 01/16/09 08:31 AM

I believe Forte's tapes have just been converted to DVD.
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Postby Silly Walter » 01/16/09 09:59 AM

Hand Mucking for Dummies is a great book.
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Postby David Thomas » 01/17/09 11:09 PM

Well poker protection, gps tapes, and tony giorgios dvds should be enough. Thanks! :)
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Postby Mats Kjellstrom » 01/19/09 04:52 AM

Tenthumbs wrote:I believe Forte's tapes have just been converted to DVD.


Holdouts & Mucking on Vol 3:

http://www.stevefortegps.com/
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Postby Ian Kendall » 01/19/09 10:04 AM

If you want to _learn_ mucking, get the Giorgio DVDs and the Joseph book. The Forte DVDs show the mucks as the acts of beauty they are, but you will spend a lot of time trying to reverse engineer the moves; none is explained. The same goes for the Turner video (the Cheat) which shows a number of moves. I made a VCD on mucking, but this is aimed squarely at magician who like playing with moves.

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 01/19/09 10:16 AM

Can mucking look like nothing untoward is happening? From what I've seen so far it looks pretty awkward when seen from the corner of ones eye - tight fingers, stiff elbows and shoulder swings at unusual angles, that kind of tell.
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Postby Roger M. » 01/19/09 01:01 PM

Jonathan Townsend wrote:Can mucking look like nothing untoward is happening?

When Forte and Giorgio demonstrate, there's nothing to be seen.......so the answer would be "yes".
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Postby John Hopkins » 01/19/09 04:14 PM

Darwin Ortiz has some nice mucks in "Darwin Ortiz on Card Cheating." This is more of an expose than an instructional video.

Also, "Vernon Revelations Vol. 11" has a few good and fairly easy mucks.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 01/19/09 05:03 PM

Professional card players do not handle cards like either laymen or magicians. Real hand mucking is designed to emulate the actions of professional card players, and does not look "natural" in the way magicians think of the term.

Good hand mucks (and those of Giorgio and Forte certainly fit that definition) are invisible and take place so rapidly and efficiently that it seems impossible anything could have conceivably happened.

But there's a tremendous difference when a magician does a hand muck as opposed to a professional card player. If a pro card player moved as slowly as a magician in switching cards, it would attract attention because the handling would be unnatural in that milieu.

Gene Maze did beautiful hand mucking, but it was for magical purposes and wouldn't pass muster in a game because he didn't handle cards like a pro card player.
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Postby Edward » 01/19/09 09:26 PM

Where can one find the Giorgio DVD's?
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Postby Richard Hatch » 01/19/09 09:37 PM

You should be able to get them from most dealers (we happen to be out of stock at the moment), but you could probably also get a signed set directly from Tony by sending him $50 plus shipping to
Tony Giorgio, 11225 Magnolia Blvd., Suite 220, North Hollywood, CA 91601.
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Postby Edward » 01/20/09 07:04 PM

Richard, thank you for that information.
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Postby Mats Kjellstrom » 01/20/09 09:15 PM

Instantaneous Blackjack Switch from "The Ultimate Work" 2 DVD

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD0YXa7rJJg

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 01/20/09 09:31 PM

? is there usually some better cover so folks notice the odd flexing of the fingers or that spring of the thumb - especially from out of the corner of ones eye?
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Postby David Thomas » 01/21/09 11:38 AM

He mentions "Nowadays it would be impossible"
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 01/21/09 01:46 PM

Looks like the Bobo Switch as published - kinda needs some refinement so can be done in context of natural and motivated actions for conjuring purposes - especially if those moves won't fly at the card table.
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