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Postby MaxNY » 11/27/08 12:14 AM

I caught bits and pieces...will have more to say at a later date...but

Who was the deadpan, kid? Make way for a new star. Very funny!

Hans riuned Rudy Coby's Nicky Terminator. My sister in Law said...Isn't she just in..." The illusion needs something more than a big old fat cart table top you idiot. Put a damn Turkey, and candles...anything. My God this illusionist isn't the sharpest tool in the box, Oh no, he doesn't have any tools, just an empty box. And shame on him for stealing another's idea, then slaughtering it.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/27/08 12:28 AM

My wife enjoyed Hans Klock's performance a lot and he's certainly improved since I last saw him at FISM in Den Haag (and walked out).

They certainly cut everyone's work to the bone, and some of the editing was wonky, but for a two-hour magic special it's better than we've had in a long time.
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Postby Pepka » 11/27/08 01:09 AM

It was much better than last time. The young man was hilarious! I noticed Rafael was the assistant in the audience for Hans. And did anyone else catch a quick "flash" when he vanished a girl in the chair? There was a quick clip of Aye Jaye in the audience.
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Postby Rick Ruhl » 11/27/08 01:23 AM

The kid stole the show, far and beyond. How about a cover story on him Richard?
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Postby The Magic Apple » 11/27/08 02:20 AM

any one know when it will re-air
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Postby Kenardo » 11/27/08 02:22 AM

Overall I enjoyed the show. The acts were great - a more consistent high quality than last year's which had some ridiculous escapes. The camera work was also better this time around. However, the editing during the first half hour was really annoying - cuts constantly to the audience at the wrong times. Surprisingly this seemed corrected as the show progressed. I think that the guest celebrities added nothing to the show; perhaps the network insisted on them. I like the show's publicizing Feed the Children. I was also surprised that Nani Darnell was not inluded in the Blackstone Award presentation.

I still think that the award presentation is sort of bogus. The only time I have ever heard of the World Magic Organization is with respect to this TV show. It reminds me of the IMS awards; to me IMS is only a supplier of videos. Maybe, again, theat was the hook needed to sell the show. Anyway, kudos to Gay Blackstone for producing a great show.
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Postby David Thomas » 11/27/08 02:59 AM

Great special overall. The kid is kyle. He did great.
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Postby MaxNY » 11/27/08 08:21 AM

Yeah that's him. He has a great bit.

Overall, it was a great televised magic show!
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/27/08 12:09 PM

Nobody gets paid to work that show: the presentation of the award, good for their resumes, is what gets the acts to perform. The award is a fictional entity: who knows who gets one or who decides it?
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Postby Donal Chayce » 11/27/08 02:41 PM

The only act that completely lost me was Franz Harary's airplane bit. It was repeatedly billed as an "escape," yet he didn't escape from anything (other than having to perform in the Santa Monica hangar that doubled as a soundstage). Worse, the vanish of one airplane as a second airplane crossed it's path played rather flatly, as it smacked of so-much camera trickery.

Mind you, I'm not saying that's how the trick was accomplished. But for contemporary audiences (including children) who've been saturated with all sorts of electronic wizardry in films and television, I can only imagine a "ho-hum" reaction.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/27/08 02:52 PM

I don't believe it was a camera trick per se. It appeared to me as if the white plane flying toward Franz was a miniature remote-controlled plane, and the red plane flying at right angles sort of pushed it out of the way or scooped it up. I know it sounds dopey, but that's what it looked like. Anyone Tivo it and watch it frame by frame?
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Postby David Thomas » 11/27/08 05:16 PM

I taped it on VHS. If I get around to it, I'll put it on a cd and watch it in slow motion on my computer.

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Postby Tim Ellis » 11/27/08 06:40 PM

We shouldn't be discussing methods in here should we? ;)
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Postby magicking » 11/27/08 07:03 PM

If anyone could make me a copy of the whole show, I would sure appreciate it and be glad to pay the shipping..Im in Missouri zip 65459,, I would prefer it on DVD but would gladly take it on vhs

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Postby Dustin Stinett » 11/27/08 07:08 PM

Well, the kid was good, and certainly a favorite moment of mine in the show (though he does need to polish his technique and timing a bit). But I was half expecting him to say, "I was home schooled."

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/27/08 10:00 PM

Yes, of course we discuss methods here! What do you think this Forum is for? I wish more people would discuss methods--it might be easier to figure out what the hell they're trying to say.

The kid was good, but completely out of his league. That long segment could have been better filled by another professional.
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Postby Paul Q » 11/28/08 12:20 AM

Out of his league?!!!

It was a TEEN AWARD! I didn't expect Slydini!

I enjoyed the whole show but the kids' routine and delivery had me laughing out loud. The Amazing Johnathan was phoning it in. The kid was more entertaining than half of the performers.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/28/08 12:32 AM

Yes, it was a teen award ... and he was a good teenage performer. As such, he was out of his league among all the well-seasoned professionals on stage. His laconic sense of humor was amusing, but he was nervous and fumbled a little. And his routine seemed longer than some others. I didn't think he fit the spot.
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Postby John Signa » 11/28/08 12:45 AM

The plane bit seemed a bit fishy to me. When the plane vanished, its trailing smoke disappeared as well.
Went back and step through it...
When camera cut from the white plane to the red one and back to white, it seemed that the white plane was suddenly further away. Also, as the red plane passed by, the shadow of the white plane and it's smoke disappeared in a single frame.
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Postby Richard Perrin » 11/28/08 12:53 AM

Will this in youtube? I would like to see it.
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Postby Pepka » 11/28/08 01:35 AM

Richard wants us to discuss methods. I say why bother with that crappy plane vanish. Only bother to discuss methods of something decent, which that wasn't. How were Sperry and Alonzo? I missed 'em. Also, Kyle's opening line killed me. Something like "Magic has been my hobby since I was 10. Other people have hobbies like stamp collecting or friendship."
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Postby David Thomas » 11/28/08 03:55 AM

Agreed, he was obviously nervous. But, it's good to have a performer that's more of an up and coming original magician somewhere in the lineup.

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Postby Tim Ellis » 11/28/08 05:46 AM

Does he write his own material?
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Postby MaxNY » 11/28/08 09:41 AM

He probably didn't. Really dry wit. It's amazing that he didn't break charachter. It's a great bit, like...? Pat Paulson, or Ben Stein.

Dan Sperry was great. My first time seeing him. Homey was weaned on icycles! He did a dove split behind his back, thatI liked. His mouth kept jabbering, but he wasn't miked...great misdirection. I don't think his make-up had to be that dramatic. It was the look of a scarey clown, not some goth punk...A fine line, maybe too much make-up crosses you over into the tattoo palor clown look. Probably works this year because of the Batman Heath Ledger look, but may need to change next year.
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Postby Adrian Kuiper » 11/28/08 01:59 PM

The first guy on.....don't recall his name....merely went from one box to another, producing all kinds of things with nary an effort at a reason or anything else. Get me the box, let's cover it, then uncover and....WOW a wild animal or a female. Next.

Roxanne (hope I have the name right), the pretty female magician that did a "spider-web type thing", impressed me. Very smooth...polished and professional. First time I'd seen her.

Airplane thing? Much the same as all the other stuff he's done...."Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" (Thanks Bill)

I did like Alonzo and surpisingly, the Goth Guy....I don't normally like that genre in anything....but I liked him.

I've seen The Amazing Johnathan MUCH better than this performance.

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Postby Jared Cassidy » 11/28/08 02:09 PM

All in all I enjoyed the special very much. My favorite act was Dan Sperry's, which I thought was one of the most well polished and less contrived, or clunky. I saw Dan's act at the World Greatest Magic Show earlier this year and he did some similar "mouthing" during the act (I don't remember hearing him talking, as there was quite a bit of music the act, so it may just be for misdirection), along with having the same costuming and makeup. I agree that his appearance is rather striking, but it seems to work with the dyed doves. Along with Dan Sperry, I enjoyed Kirby Vanburch and Jeff McBride.

Another high point was the kid, Kyle Eschen; his dryness played very well, but I agree with Richard that it was a tad long and maybe some of that time could have been better allocated to one of the professional performers.
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Postby Jim Riser » 11/28/08 02:25 PM

MaxNY;
The girl's "bottom" walking the table predates Rudy. I know it was used in Dante's show at one time. Lee Grabel may also have used it. Does Lance Burton include it? It's been several years since we went to his show and I do not remember seeing it at that performance.

The normal way to do it is having a "complete" woman come on rolling a serving cart. As she is walking, a large sword is quickly swung severing her body. An assistant carries off the "top" and the "bottom" keeps on walking with the table. No comments need to be made during this little event. It happens quickly without fanfare.

The table used by Hans was gross. It did not look like anything other than what it was - a big black box with a white stripe down the center. When made correctly, the table looks like a serving cart.

On this show it was very poorly done and there was no reason for the walking legs - same performance level as the masked idiot.

Several of the other items done by Hans were very well done - especially Aquarius. He and many of the other performers certainly have a higher energy level than I.
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Postby Terrence » 11/28/08 04:58 PM

Kyle told me he writes his own material.

He has brought down the house at the last two Future Stars weeks at the Castle, and I think he's going somewhere -- very talented.

I thought the special was all around enjoyable -- though I do agree that it looked clipped in spots.
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Postby Manreb » 11/28/08 06:33 PM

All in all in thought that the show was entertaining.

They should lose the opening sequence with the special effects, this gives the mind set that there are camera tricks to come.

The editing was terrible. long shots to show that there was an audiance, shots of the audience at the wrong time.
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Postby David Alexander » 11/28/08 09:42 PM

Manreb wrote:They should lose the opening sequence with the special effects, this gives the mind set that there are camera tricks to come.

The editing was terrible. long shots to show that there was an audiance, shots of the audience at the wrong time.




This is why I generally don't watch these sorts of shows. A thinking performer has perfected his material and knows what he is doing and how to present it. This material is taped by various cameras usually run by a director who has little to no experience with magic and often without a detailed camera rehearsal. Too often the director is in love with technique and peppers the show with swooping crane shots and other techniques seen as "artistic" which interferes with the purpose of the camera: clearly broadcasting to the home audience what the performer is doing on stage.

The resulting tape is then edited by the ignorant director, clipping out parts he doesn't think necessary, too often resulting in performers looking less than their best.
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Postby MaxNY » 11/28/08 11:27 PM

As usual I get corrected. OK, Dante was perhaps the first to offer a bod-less girl. The illusion needed more mis-direction. The base still needed a purpose.
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Postby Jack Turk » 11/29/08 08:07 PM

I watched it with my 18 year old daughter and she
thought the kid was a scream. We both liked him a
lot.

My personal favorite was the young woman with the
semi-goth persona. I thought she did some really
interesting stuff: color changing lipstick, and
the spider web bit was very cool and totally in
keeping with her schtick.

I didn't find the amazing j. the least bit amusing.
The kid was Far Far Far funnier.

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Postby Mark Paulson » 11/30/08 03:27 AM

I really enjoyed Dan Sperry's dove act. As Jared mentioned, Dan performed in the World's Greatest Magic Show in Las Vegas. He doesn't speak in his act, but he does a lot of mouthing. Both my wife and I found him very entertaining.

We also liked Kyle Eschen, who was hilarious. I can't wait to see what he can do in a few years.

Other than NPH, who was a much better emcee than Roger Moore was last year, I only recognized two of the celebrities. I think I saw them on TV in the 80s.
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Postby Pepka » 11/30/08 01:23 PM

Yeah, the list of celebrity presenters was D list at best. Ernie Hudson? What's he done since Ghosbusters 2? Anyway, I finally got to see the first part of the show I missed when it aired. Dan was fantastic, Ed was so so and Florian was disappointing. He should have done his FISM act. My friends were asking, "If that guy with the birds is the Marilyn Manson of magic, who's this guy, Ashton Kutcher?"
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Postby LV720 » 12/03/08 12:08 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:I don't believe it was a camera trick per se. It appeared to me as if the white plane flying toward Franz was a miniature remote-controlled plane, and the red plane flying at right angles sort of pushed it out of the way or scooped it up. I know it sounds dopey, but that's what it looked like. Anyone Tivo it and watch it frame by frame?


Kind of like that promo video where there is a car in the foreground of the shot and the guys walks up closer to the camera and picks it up...huh.
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Postby Dave V » 12/03/08 08:09 PM

LV720 wrote:
Richard Kaufman wrote:I don't believe it was a camera trick per se. It appeared to me as if the white plane flying toward Franz was a miniature remote-controlled plane, and the red plane flying at right angles sort of pushed it out of the way or scooped it up. I know it sounds dopey, but that's what it looked like. Anyone Tivo it and watch it frame by frame?


Kind of like that promo video where there is a car in the foreground of the shot and the guys walks up closer to the camera and picks it up...huh.


I thought something similar until I noticed that the smoke trail, all of it, disappeared instantly after the red plane fly by.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 12/03/08 08:13 PM

Didn't sound like the regular music some of the performer's use. I understand there are sometimes copyright issues here, but why would a performer that had custom music have to change their normal tunes?
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Postby Magic Newswire » 12/03/08 08:41 PM

MaxNY wrote: As usual I get corrected. OK, Dante was perhaps the first to offer a bod-less girl. The illusion needed more mis-direction. The base still needed a purpose.

I couldn't agree more. That whole segment was my least favorite in the show. Not a surprise to anyone that listens to the podcast I am sure, but I didn't care for the airplane vanish either.

If, as Eddie Izzard says, "I like to end my show with a .. hmmm..." Well.. that's where I was left...
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 12/03/08 08:48 PM

Is there a rebroadcast on the schedule?
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