Magic Live! 2009

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Postby David Thomas » 11/10/08 07:55 PM

I am planning on attending magic live! in 2009. Anyone else planning on going?
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Postby Stuart Hooper » 11/10/08 09:03 PM

Yes.
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Postby Dave Egleston » 11/10/08 10:28 PM

Stuart Hooper wrote:Yes.


Don't let this discourage anyone, it'll still be fun.

See you there Hooper

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Postby magicman1953 » 11/10/08 10:49 PM

Hope its fun.... I'll be there....Scott B.
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Postby Stuart Hooper » 11/10/08 11:46 PM

Hahaha, glad you're coming, Dave!
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Postby MaxNY » 11/10/08 11:50 PM

Been to all 3, will be there again.

How about that new Hotel? I hope they get a shuttle service going to the strip by then.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/11/08 12:37 AM

I'll be there. And the hotel already has a shuttle service to both the Strip and the airport.
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Postby Donal Chayce » 11/11/08 02:53 AM

I'll be there--booked my room a week ago.
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Postby Tom Dobrowolski » 11/11/08 02:19 PM

I will be there again.
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Postby naquada » 11/12/08 04:46 AM

trying to toss up between magic live! and fism.. can't afford both... :(
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Postby Stuart Hooper » 11/12/08 10:51 AM

I'm having the same quandary, I was so sure I was going to go to FISM and now...not so sure. Is it worth it? I'm so big on lectures and dealers rooms, but less so on contests. Magic Live! is a known quality, and one way or another has to come first for me.
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Postby naquada » 11/12/08 12:28 PM

well the dealers area at fism last time was pretty big... and they had some lectures...

tough one... :)
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/12/08 02:43 PM

There is so much great magic in Asia--stuff that no one in the west has ever seen--and that's what they should be presenting. The acts they've announced all look very good--but we've seen them before. I'm happy to watch them again, but I don't have to go to Beijing to do it.

The illegal videotaping of lectures and shows (both close-up and stage) is rampant in mainland China. Performers are very hesitant to lecture because they assume (with some likelihood) that their lectures will be illegally videotaped and then sold. Ditto for any lecture notes they sell, which will be minimal since most Chinese can't read English. But those that are sold will likely be translated into Chinese and then sold or passed around. The mainland Chinese have zero understanding of intellectual property rights.

Last time, FISM was held in Stockholm. Last time I looked, there were less than 20 dealers signed up for Beijing. FISM usually has between 60 and 70 dealers.

The organizers in Stockholm were reasonably vigorous in keeping pirated items out of the dealer room. The situation in mainland China is entirely different. Dealers are hesitant to go because any of the items they sell will likely be copied and sold for a fraction of the price within weeks.

Look at Masuda's "WOW," which is now being knocked off in China and sold by dealers in the United States for as little as $5. Having watched the TV special of Tomo Maeda's in which Masuda was featured, I saw that Masuda and his family hand make all of his marketed tricks sitting around their kitchen table. Companies like Mak Magic, which is selling the cheap Chinese copies of "WOW," are ruining that family business. And American magicians are to blame as well, because they walk into a shop and buy the cheap copy for $10 or $20 rather than the original for $50. Why does the original cost so much? Because it's handmade by the originator. Why do the copies cost so little? Because they're made in a factory in China where people are paid nearly nothing.
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Postby CraigMitchell » 11/12/08 04:24 PM

Richard ... the BIG question ... are you going to FISM ;-)
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/12/08 04:41 PM

I haven't decided. It's a very expensive trip and I'm not sure what the benefits would be for Genii if I were to go to FISM in China.
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Postby Matt Richman » 11/12/08 10:15 PM

I'm 99.999 percent positive I'm going to MAGIC Live. It'll be my first time.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/12/08 10:30 PM

Matt, MAGIC Live! is almost sold out, and they've already run out of guaranteed seats for the close-up "experience" (though since everyone who's registered doesn't go to the close-up show, they set up a line for those who are registered that would like to attend who weren't guaranteed admittance with registration). So, if you're going to register, you need to probably do it sooner rather than later.
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Postby CraigMitchell » 11/13/08 05:47 AM

Does anyone have any details on the showroom at Southpoint ... from the pictures on the site - it doesn't look like a good showroom at all with the more traditional Vegas cabaret style seating compared to a proper theatre. Unless there is another venue not shown on the website ?
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Postby Stuart Hooper » 11/13/08 12:31 PM

I've was never thrilled with the Orleans showroom (if you get stuck on one of the sides it's not fun), and I've seen everyone from Copperfield to the World's Greatest Magic Show in a cabaret style setting. Maybe it's not such a bad thing?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/13/08 01:26 PM

Every theatrical venue has advantages and disadvantges based on where you're sitting. End of story. Some people will like this more, others less. End of story.
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Postby Tim Ellis » 11/13/08 09:53 PM

There's a seating chart for The Orleans Showroom HERE showing booths, and one HERE that's shows the 850 seat theatre style showroom depicted on their website HERE

(Oops sorry, thought you were asking about The Orleans. I see that MAGIC LIVE! has moved to a new venue SOUTHPOINT CASINO, and it does appear to have booths - HERE'S the seating chart...)
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Postby MaxNY » 11/13/08 10:43 PM

Richard I'm interested in Chinese magic. Maybe a story on how their magic act has morphed through the years. I am probably wrong, but wasn't their act the one with lots of bowls of water being produced? What else have they been responsible for?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/13/08 11:54 PM

While I have seen quite a bit of traditional Chinese magic in Asia over the years, those who have mastered it are loathe to explain it. Many of the things I have seen have been inexplicable. But they are all a blur in my mind, now.
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Postby Richard Perrin » 11/14/08 03:27 AM

Richard, if you go to FISM at China along with Genii Magazines... are you afraid the mainland copy and sell cheap magazines? I know it is a dull humor but that's me! ;-)
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 11/14/08 11:22 AM

I wouldn't be able to sell any subscriptions, which is why it's hard to justify going to Beijing.
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Postby Steve Bryant » 11/14/08 12:43 PM

Just booked at the South Point. Personally, I loathe the "nightclub" type seating where you are crammed together at a table and have to look sideways over the guy next to you to see the show. I prefer the Orleans style showroom where all seats face the stage. Fortunately, my best memories of MAGIC Live are not from the showroom, but from the talks that take place during the day in other rooms. These have been awesome. Another plus is that, as with the Orleans, the South Point has a movie theater and bowling alley built in. It should be fun. China? My morning newspaper showed girls on bicycles riding through that brown haze. I don't think they will shut down the factories for FISM as they did for the Olympics.
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Postby John Signa » 11/14/08 02:50 PM

I also dislike sitting at the long tables for the same reason Steve mentions.

However, the upside to the tabled seating is that I get to meet more new people than I would in theatre-style seating; in addition to the people seated to the left and right, there are the people you are facing. (I first met Seor Kaufman while crammed in at one of the front tables of the Tropicana's show room for WMS.)
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Postby Jenna Kissel » 11/14/08 04:28 PM

I had a great time at Magic Live when we went in 2007. I would have gone in a heartbeat this time but I must go to a wedding in Italy... bummer :-) When I found out it was in 2009 instead of three years later, like I expected, I was a little disappointed I was going to miss it.
Magic Live is great for the ablity to mingle with some famous people. I have pictures with Bill Malone (insert chest bangs) and Simon Aronson and I reconnected with old friends I hadn't seen in a while.
Lectures were great, they give you the notes and there are plenty of opportunities to work on and ask questions about the things you have just learned from the person who gave the lecture. I will go again to the next one, 2011 anyone?
I hope you go and enjoy it.
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