ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

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ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Pepo » October 27th, 2008, 11:30 am

Does anybody knows the first book in which appears this effect?

Thank you very much!!!

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Richard Kaufman » October 27th, 2008, 11:38 am

You could start with Hofzinser in the 1850s.
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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Pepo » October 27th, 2008, 1:38 pm

Thank you Mr. Kaufman. The Problem with the book of Hofsinzer is that its age of print is 1909-1910. The First time in print ive found the efect is in 1868 in Robert Houdins book (Sympathetic Cards). But im looking for earliers references, i dont have read the books of Ponsin, Mieg... and i dont have them so if anyone knows any earlier reference and can help me it will be great, im also interested in other references of that effect in the books of 19 century (Sachs, Hoffman, Roterberg...)
Thank you very much, and excuse me for my English.

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 27th, 2008, 1:59 pm

Ponsin's 1853 book, at least my copy of the Sharpe edition, offers no card matching routine. A quick look in Scot's Discoverie of Witchcraft shows divinations and predictions yet no explicit matching of a shown card with a subsequent selection even if the componant means of doing so are described.

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Richard Kaufman » October 27th, 2008, 2:00 pm

That's not a "problem" with Hofzinser's book: he performed those routines in the 1850s and was long dead by the time the book came out. What's wrong with using the date he performed them? Why does it have to be published?
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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Pepo » October 27th, 2008, 4:22 pm

Sorry about the word "problem" Im from Madrid and my English is not as good as my spanish, sure there is a word that expresses better what i wanted to say.

Its Just a work for the Escorial Ive to speak about the coincidence effect, and sure im gonna speak about hofzinser and that he performed in 1850 but I also want to know and to share when the effect was first published and who was the creator (i think this last thing its impossible).

Thank you Richard and Thank you Jonathan
I aprecciate your help

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Max Maven » October 27th, 2008, 5:25 pm

It would be helpful to know what trick you mean. Are you referring to Herbert Milton's effect known as "The Sympathetic Clubs"?

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Philippe Billot » October 27th, 2008, 5:40 pm

What do you think about that :

"Faire qu'une personne choisisse dans un jeu une carte semblable celle qui a t tire d'un autre jeu."

Make that a person chooses in one deck a card similar to another one which was taken from another deck.


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Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 27th, 2008, 6:47 pm

Makes me wish I had a copy of that book in English or the book in French in HTML so could translate it using online tech.
Mundus vult decipi -per Caleb Carr's story Killing Time

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Pepo » October 27th, 2008, 7:53 pm

WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!

Thanks a lot Philippe.
I cant believe it. Its amazing

Thanks to everybody for your help.

I am interested in any effect of coincidence, Sympathetic clubs, Total Coincedence, The trick that philippe told us, any coincidence will fit.

Thanks to all again

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Philippe Billot » October 28th, 2008, 8:44 am

Jonathan Townsend wrote:Makes me wish I had a copy of that book in English or the book in French in HTML so could translate it using online tech.


Here is a link for you :

http://cnum.cnam.fr/SYN/8SAR15.html

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 28th, 2008, 9:50 am

Thanks :) One could pretty much do the card match (27th trick) from a fifty two card pack after dividing it in halves.
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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Philippe Billot » October 28th, 2008, 11:29 am

With pseudo mates ?

If the first spectator "chooses" the King of Heart, the second spectateur "finds" the King of Diamond ?

Pourquoi pas !

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Re: ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF COINCIDENCE EFFECT IN CARD MAGIC

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 28th, 2008, 11:34 am

Thanks, it seemed less trouble than carrying two packs of cards and may permit other tricks if the volunteers are amenable.


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