David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

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David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Yilou » October 26th, 2008, 1:06 pm

We, here in France, were truly thrilled to attend the lecture that was to be given by David & Dania when they came to our annual congress on last September 26th.
What a disillusion we had in store !!!!!

The art of "Quick-Change", had been a well guarded secret for many years until the first lectures and workshops given by "Valerie" since five years ago.

David and Dania's first lecture in France was to be complementary to Valerie's and for magicians who were interested in this art. However, David's main concern seemed to be to convince the attending spectators just why they shouldn't be undertaking this particular craft.

On stage we discovered from left to right:

David, a colourful screen and Dania, a lovely bored looking lady sitting on a chair next to a table entirely covered with a multitude of dresses and various lengths of fabric.

David begins by questioning the spectators as to their motivation for attending his lecture:

Who has come out of simple curiosity ?
Who has a true interest in this particular art and wishes to really learn more about it ?
Who is simply dying to do an act just like David & Dania's ?

Throughout the entire lecture we will obtain absolutely no astonishing revelations nor implicit indications on how to create these costumes and no advice will be conceded.

"No questions allowed, ...... ??????? was David's only response, "We'll talk about that at the end of the lecture".

David believes that to include one or two costume Quick-Changes in an act would be an error in judgement and unjustifiable !!!!!! In his opinion, it is an Art in itself ..... !!!!!!!! This comes as a bit of a blow to the magicians !

David then produced a suitcase and had several spectators in the first rows test its weight....15kg..... which is the equivalent weight of all the costumes that Dania must wear for their 15 minutes performance and what is more ..... she has to dance as well !!!!!!

15 seems to be his favourite number .... everything is 15 ..... they have 15 years of experience in this field ... Dania wears up to 15 dresses for certain galas ..... (in truth their act usually last only about 4 minutes with 7 changes ...... !!!!).

According to David, if you aren't at least 58, .....Dania's height ...., it would simply not be reasonable to attempt a Quick-Change act ..... !!!!! ?????

To illustrate this point, David now proceeds to demonstrate their dressing technique and begins obviously from the last dress to the very first one. Dania leans forward onto the table while David snaps and zips her dresses on one after the other as he stands pressed closely behind her (this particularly "elegant" position brings forth [censored] and giggles from the audience).

Once dressed, Dania looked stressed and had more and more trouble breathing and must sit down to rest ......... and with only a mere 8 dresses on ....... ????????

He went on to explain how the colours of each consecutive dress must be very different from each other in order to give the proper effect and impact...... just in case his imitators might have missed the importance of this point ....... ??

He deplored those who simply want to copy them and explained that it has taken them more than 15 years ....... (15 yet again) ..... to find just the right fabrics and fastening systems of which, of course, he reveals nothing !!!!!!!

Speaking about copies, and as it has been written on several occasions, it would seem that their act was itself copied, or stolen or (bought I doubt) from the "Sudarchikovs" in around 1992, and is an exact copy of theirs with all the magic effects removed.

As for the last dress change which takes place under a shower of glittering confetti, David went on to warn us that this particular effect, which has been shamefully copied and reproduced by other Quick- Change artists all over the world, it is now protected by law in the USA. He went on to state that they are the only ones capable of presenting their act surrounded at 360 in circuses or basketball stadiums, which of course is obviously not true in view of several other similar acts who are performing at the moment on the circuit.

At the end of this lecture ...... or should I say, demonstration only ........, David continued to refuse to answer any of the numerous questions from his audience and simply replied that he will be happy to give this information and answer questions during his forthcoming workshops which he plans to organize hopefully in 2009 ........ for seriously motivated magicians only !!!!!!!!! And there you have it !!!!!!!!! It came as no surprise to hear whistling and heckling from a disappointed and disgruntled public for this master in deception.

Rudy Coby, who was also invited to our congress this year and was present for this unmatched moment in crafty deceit, opened his lectures the next day by apologizing and declaring that he actually felt embarrassed to be American when he saw how David & Dania had behaved so unashamedly in their dealings with the French and went on to add that as far as he was concerned, if anyone wanted any practical information concerning Quick-Changes, only Valerie could give them any productive and constructive advice!

David & Dania made themselves most unpopular during their stay and I simply wanted it to be known !

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Bill Duncan » October 26th, 2008, 1:22 pm

Yilou,
I recommend that you book (Dan) Sylvester The Jester for your next variety act lecture. I had the very good fortune to see him at PCAM a few years ago and his lecture was one of the most giving and inspiring Ive ever seen.

Danny talked about how he came to develop the act for which he is well known and even how he created the suit which makes it possible. He talked in detail about how use placed the triggers for sound effects. He took over the jacket and showed us the working mechanisms and even explained how he had constructed and improved that model he was using for his current act.

All of this during a lecture that was filled with gags, and laughter derived from his show. The lecture was almost as much fun to see as the show itself. He treated his audience with respect, knowing that hed been ripped off before.

When I commented about this to his friend Tom Frank, Tom summed it up in these words: nobody can copy Danny.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby CraigMitchell » October 26th, 2008, 1:48 pm

I saw Valerie's lecture at Blackpool and it was one of the highlights ... what a fantastic 'giving' person she was -- only too happy to help and share her love for the art form

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Bill Palmer » October 27th, 2008, 11:40 am

Sven Schoppenhauer's book has been translated into English, and is easily available, if you want to know the basics of quick change.

I don't understand what is protectable about using glitter between the layers of a quick change, and/or what law would cover this.

Thanks for the warning, Yilou.
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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Philippe Billot » October 27th, 2008, 5:50 pm

And thank to Yilou who translate our text from ARTEFAKE without permission !!!

http://www.artefake.com/spip.php?article537

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Richard Kaufman » October 27th, 2008, 6:59 pm

We should give the original authors credit for the plagarized piece that leads off this thread: Sbastien Bazou and Pierre Guedin (unless Yilou is one of them).
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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Dustin Stinett » October 27th, 2008, 7:47 pm

Yilou is Valerie's husband.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Dale Shrimpton » October 28th, 2008, 5:49 am

If you go to Google patents, and search for quick change, you can see david and danias patent, explaining how their system works.
There a highly talented, but unusual couple. however I guess watching them dress for the act, probably shows what they go through several times a day, and will put people off the idea to copy them.So there is probably method in their madness

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Ken Northridge » October 28th, 2008, 6:04 am

This is sad. It reminds me of a lecture I once I attended. The first thing the lecturer did was slowly take a video of everyone in the audience and warned us if anyone steals his ideas he has a record of us being there.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Yilou » October 28th, 2008, 7:01 am

True, I am Valerie's husband.
True, I took a very little part of the text of Artefake and translate it to make it understandable for american magicians of Genii forum.
If that hurts anyone, I apologize and have to say ..sorry !
I just wrote what all magicians think overhere.
A lecturer has to be generous, D & D were not at all.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Philippe Billot » October 28th, 2008, 8:50 am

Please, Mr. Kaufman,

Could you ask Mr. Yilou to remove spontaneously the "very little part of the text of Artefake".

Thanks in advance.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 28th, 2008, 8:58 am

Philippe Billot wrote:Please, Mr. Kaufman,

Could you ask Mr. Yilou to remove spontaneously the "very little part of the text of Artefake".

Thanks in advance.


How do we get a link to the text in English for those of us who can't translate French so well as to enjoy that site?

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Yilou » October 28th, 2008, 9:00 am

This is no interest for our friends...Stop that!
It's really a "very little part..."
Je vous ai laiss mon tl. en priv..soyez assez aimable pour m'appeler.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby David Alexander » October 28th, 2008, 10:00 am

I always thought the Genii Forum was incomplete without two arguing Frenchmen. Now it seems the vacuum has been filled.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Sebastien L. » October 28th, 2008, 10:15 am

I can read french, and I can say that it really is not a "very little part". Most of your initial post is a direct translation of the artefake article. In fact your message reads like an incomplete translation of the original, with a lot of pithy comments added by the translator.

For example:

"Diana a de plus en plus de difficult respirer et va sasseoir entre chaque habillage pendant les explications dtailles de David."


Your direct translation, with pithy comment added:

"Once dressed, Dania looked stressed and had more and more trouble breathing and must sit down to rest ......... and with only a mere 8 dresses on ....... ????????"


And:

David prcise alors au passage quils sont les seuls pouvoir prsenter leur numro compltement entour 360. Ils passent dans des stades de 20 000 spectateurs par exemple au cours des championnats de basket de la NBA.


And your direct translation, again with added commentary:

He went on to state that they are the only ones capable of presenting their act surrounded at 360 in circuses or basketball stadiums, which of course is obviously not true in view of several other similar acts who are performing at the moment on the circuit.


This isn't just "very little" of the original text. These are direct, nearly word-for-word translations of the original. Nor are these exceptions, the whole of your post follows this pattern.

You should have the decency to acknowledge the author of much of your content.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 28th, 2008, 10:25 am

For those who wish to read - a link to artefake and the page in question.
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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Dale Shrimpton » October 28th, 2008, 11:26 am

I always thought the Genii Forum was incomplete without two arguing Frenchmen. Now it seems the vacuum has been filled.




We could do with a couple of these over at the magicwoods.
Can you pass them over when your done with them :)

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Dustin Stinett » October 28th, 2008, 5:58 pm

David Alexander wrote:I always thought the Genii Forum was incomplete without two arguing Frenchmen. Now it seems the vacuum has been filled.


As RK likes to say, "The Genii grants all wishes!"

Dale Shrimpton wrote:We could do with a couple of these over at the magicwoods.
Can you pass them over when your done with them :)


Dale, I think we're done with them, so you can have them whenever you like. ;)

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Bill Mullins » October 28th, 2008, 6:29 pm

Isn't this why there will never be a "Five Times Five: France"?

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Bill Duncan » October 28th, 2008, 8:03 pm

Yilou is Valerie's husband.

Which seems reason enough to delete this thread and replace it with a link to the tranlated page...

It seems the original poster has an axe to grind.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Richard Kaufman » October 28th, 2008, 8:32 pm

True, Mr. Mullins, true: I could never get five top French close-up magicians to all be in the same book with one another.
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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Jonathan Townsend » October 28th, 2008, 8:38 pm

:( not even in their own province or district with delineating art work or something like that?
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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Philippe Billot » October 29th, 2008, 3:50 am

Hi Richard,

I can find five french magicians who are able to respect themselves.

I think it's not necessary to delete all the post. Simply the compilation of MM. Bazou & Guedin's article.

I apologize for this problem.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Dustin Stinett » October 29th, 2008, 11:19 am

Philippe,

You have absolutely nothing to apologize for. Thank you for bringing this to our attention and giving credit where credit is due.

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Wolfgang » November 1st, 2008, 9:19 pm

While I can not comment on the lecture I do want to point out the following:

I had the pleasure of organizing the last "the magic hands convention" in Germany and had booked David & Dania for the convention gala show and three public shows after the convention. David & Dania brought the house down and spectators to their feet. Each performance was flawless and they both acted truly professional.

Even with the basic knowledge of French that I have it is apparent to me that the translation of the original article by YILOU was mean spirited and is not doing his wife -who I hear is doing a great show as well- any justice.

Yilou if indeed the lecture was so bad you would have better others carry that torch....

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Re: David & Dania……first lecture in France…what a shame !

Postby Yilou » November 2nd, 2008, 9:08 am

David & Dania performance is great and I would never dare to critisize them on that point. True they are very professionnal. We, french, have booked them for our annual convention because we know how good they are.
I only wanted to point out about their lecture, as asked by all magicians who were there and asked me to do so as I am kind of specialist in this matter. My wife has nothig to do with all that. Things are getting clear with Artefake as I really did apologize to them; there are not anymore problems between us. I think this post should end now...no more interest for anyone.


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