Reference help with originator of "Coin through sugar packet"

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Postby rossco » 10/02/08 09:47 PM

Hi, I am trying to determine whether or not this trick - "coin through sugar packet" is considered "public domain". This trick is available from many sources, but I cannot find out who the inventor of the trick is or when it was first being performed.

I am a moderator on a magic site and have been tasked with determining if this trick is in fact "public domain" as it is a trick which is accessible to members (provided they have the proper access. If the trick is NOT considered public domain then I can have it removed from the site. (For those who are interested, the site is: Magichat

I thank you for your time and effort in help me with this research.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 10/02/08 09:58 PM

What is "coin through sugar packet?" I have heard of coin from sugar packet ... can you be more specific?
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Postby rossco » 10/02/08 11:10 PM

Sorry, my mistake it should have been as you say "coin from sugar packet"

my appologies.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 10/03/08 12:31 AM

This is an old idea. I would guess it dates not long after the first sugar packets were introduced. Should be easy enough to find that out by googling.
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Postby AnthonyBrahams » 10/03/08 08:37 AM

Sol Stone in his lecture notes and Apocalypse.
Scotty York, in DVD set, 1Professional Tricky Bartender.
Slydini?
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 10/03/08 09:27 AM

Agreed - getting a dime (marked or not) into a packet was a pet trick of several notables - even inspiring others to explore things like pulling a frenchfrie out of a ketchup packet (Joe Monti) or signed bills etc.

This dates back in our literature at least as far back as Hofzinser's Insoluble Impromptu where a borrowed ring is later found inside a playing card. There's also the bit where a signed card winds up between two index cards which have been stapled all the way around the edges. Same for the cover of a matchbook more recently.

Hardly ideas or methods which have been let loose into the public domain IMHO.

Then again if a book can be found or purchased by a non-magician perhaps it is time to call all such and sundry "public domain" and reconsider the nature of our market.

Kindly note I'm using a "magician's perspective" on the term public domain, avoiding any mention or misuse of the term copyright as such does not exist in the real world relating to trick themes and methodologies.
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Reason: if a layman can find it ... perhaps it's no longer a secret at all?
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