mrgoat wrote:Let me try again...
Is the only time you will listen to criticism when someone has actually created a control that allows one to deal multiple hands from a slug?
I mean, there are several people here trying to let you know your triumph shuffle is really bad. That you actually are exposing the method because your handling is so poor.
I just want to know if this is the case, because I don't want to waste any more time trying to explain to you that your working of the push through move is totally obvious.
Sorry but I do not agree. The reason I do not agree with "everyone" is because it is only video of a short demonstration to show what is possible with this shuffle.
In performance - that is crunch time in a real show it is different. I know because I have been there. I will also add that I have seen many magicians do magic that are well known on the web. Some of them on you tube. And some I have gone to their web sites. I know of one magician that is posting in this thread. I watched video of a Zarrow shuffle that he had at his web site. Everything that "the group" said about my video of the triumph shuffle I could say about this person's Zarrow shuffle. And there is more I could say if I were the kind of person that wanted to rip this person apart.
However I choose to take the high road and would not rip this person apart in a public forum. Even when this person has taken several shots at me.
Now the reason I did the camera shot the way I did it was that I wanted magicians to "know" that I was "doing" a triumph shuffle and using it for culling and stacking. I did not want them to see everything involved with this culling and stacking from a slug. But enough to let them see that this was going on.
If I wanted to fool magicians or make the shuffle look better on the video I would have picked a completely different camera angle and shot the footage in a different way. Plus tightened up on the shuffle and doing it cleaner.
The reason I shot the footage this way was to show the shuffle to sell a book - where I wrote up all this up.
What I did not want was video of the shuffle of magicians thinking that I was using just a stacked deck - and then did the triumph shuffle as a false shuffle and then - saying falsely that I was culling and stacking from a slug. And the hands were stacked and I was just false shuffling the deck.
So the point was to honestly show - the shuffle - and the point of the shuffle is that I really am stacking and culling three different hands from a slug using the triumph shuffle. And this is what I teach in the book. And if they buy the book and "read it and use it" it is up to them to make the moves clean and do it as clean as they want to do it.
Such as the reality of learning a new idea or a new technique and then making it work for each and everyones different style and under the different performing conditions that each of us have.
So in short the point of the video - as in my triple duke triumph and the punch cull and my cull cut the aces is to show magicians that I am really doing what I say I am doing with the technique.
As for who does the triumph shuffle better? Or the Zarrow shuffle better? Or a jog shuffle cull better? I leave it up to others that enjoy arguing such things.
Like is a red close up mat better than a green close up mat? Or is a read deck better than a blue deck?
Better - best - only an opinion.
mrgoat wrote:I understand the argument that unless you can't do better you have no place in criticising. I disagree with it entirely, but I understand it.
I understand and respect your point of view. However in my opinion there is a right time and a wrong time to give criticism. I grew up around quite a lot of the old school acts. These people were people like Don Alan, Jay Marshall, Jack Pyle, Tony Marks and a lot more.
If this point of view is given without being asked to one of these old school showman at the wrong time - like if they were involved in some business at the time - like doing a show - getting ready to go on - setting up - with an agent talking business - with a client talking business.
Let me tell you because it is a business they would not take it lightly.
Magic for me is also a business. For some it is a hobby or a semi profession - or a business.
Let me go back to what I said about my triple duke triumph video and the business reason that I put the video up the way I put it up. So the magician could see that I am using the triumph shuffle to do what I say I am doing (culling and stacking three different hands from a slug). And not using short cards, belly strippers, or any other culling edge or have the hands stacked in advance and using the triumph as a false shuffle.
You may not agree with my video - and that is OK - but it is my web site - my business and I will do my business my way because it is my business!
When I posted the first video of my cull cutting the aces routine I had magicians e-mail me thinking that the aces were crimped - some had no idea that I was using a cull - so I changed the video to show the cull a little more and then magicians said in message boards - stuff about my handling of my slant on the Steven's cull.
I understand - there doesn't seem to be any way to please everyone but I think that if I were going to buy a book about a technique I would like to know a little bit about what is in the technique - of a book or a DVD that I am interested in buying. So I can make a choice.
So I have tried "unsuccessfully" it seems to let a little bit of information go - letting magicians in on it - but not to much - in the video's that I have posted at my web site.
And If I may add to this one more opinion that is "old school" and one that I learned growing up around these professionals. That in my opinion there is a right way and a wrong way to give criticism in magic.
I dont think that the right way to do it is in public - like in front of their audience - or a client - or an agent. Or in a public forum.
In my opinion there is a right time and place for criticism in magic and in my opinion "this isn't the place". Especially because - I never asked!
I hope this answers your questions.