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table faro

Postby a7n6 » August 1st, 2008, 10:52 am

i was hoping i could get some suggestions. i'm looking for sources to learn the table faro other than "expert card technique." thank you for your help.

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Re: table faro

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 1st, 2008, 11:26 am

I believe Ed Marlo has published quite a bit about it. Somewhere in this Forum there's a link to Jimmy Molinari's Marlo Index (which is online) which would help you find it.
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Postby Denis Behr » August 1st, 2008, 11:33 am

Here are some sources: http://archive.denisbehr.de/archive/rou ... 85,727,728

Is Bertram's table faro the one where you get the portions in a kind of tent-formation and let them coalesce/drop into each other? I don't know about "best", but this one is at least not a natural handling of riffle shuffling.

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Re: table faro

Postby David Thomas » August 1st, 2008, 11:57 am

Is this a tabled faro? If so, what is it called and where can I learn it? I know it's a strip out but I mean the actual shuffle.

(It's shown first at 00:52)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaJmVO91M2w

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Re: table faro

Postby Jim Maloney » August 1st, 2008, 12:15 pm

Richard Kaufman wrote:The best Table Faro is Ross Bertram's, and it's not in print. :)


Are you trying to create more work for David Ben? ;)

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Postby Eoin O'hare » August 1st, 2008, 4:45 pm

You should also search out the January 1983 New Tops article 'More information on Marlo's controlled tabled riffle faro'. A six page description with photos.
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Re: table faro

Postby Jeff Eline » August 1st, 2008, 5:58 pm

HERE is Denis Behr doing a table faro.

And ANOTHER from Paul Sherman.

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Re: table faro

Postby Adrian Kuiper » August 2nd, 2008, 4:14 pm

We've been down this road before....in MY humble opinion, what Vernon does in the clip is a Faro. The other two, because the thumb is "riffling" the cards, are perfect Riffle Shuffles.

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Re: table faro

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 2nd, 2008, 11:28 pm

No one seems to understand this sleight.
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Re: table faro

Postby RogerPierre » August 3rd, 2008, 12:43 am

In 1726 The Whole Art and Mystery of Modern Gaming Fully Expos'd and Detected probably gives one of the first discriptions and refers to the game of Basset, and writes of a perfect shuffle, giving reference to it's off shoot in the game of Faro, which developed from Basset.

But it is not until the 1894 edition of Koschitz's Manual of Useful Information that I have been able to find what I feel is a faro shuffle as in the actual game in the time of Wyatt and his brothers. He talks of taking one half of the pack in each hand and "butting in" the halves. I interpret this section of the book (5, 27-28) to mean that the faro at that time was the action of the pushing, or butting in of the cards caused the interweaving of the cards.("The momentary springing of the pressure given")

Then in John Nevil Maskelyne's Sharps and Flats, 1894, some feel that this perfect shuffle actually was given the name of The Faro Dealer's Shuffle. The illustration, 67, 204 also only shows the "butting in".

There are more references but this is enough I think to answer your question, I was a dealer in Nevada and approach this from a different direction.

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Re: table faro

Postby Matthew Field » August 3rd, 2008, 6:45 am

The Martin Nash video (now DVD) "Infinity and Beyond" explains his Infinity control and the "Beyond" is the tabled Faro.

I believe it is now available from Meir Yedid (http://www.mymagic.com).

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Re: table faro

Postby CardioloJest » August 3rd, 2008, 8:55 am

What's to understand? Easy to do once you get the hang of it --
just keep trying--suddenly, YOU'VE GOT IT!
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Re: table faro

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 3rd, 2008, 9:21 am

CardioloJest wrote:What's to understand? Easy to do once you get the hang of it --
just keep trying--suddenly, YOU'VE GOT IT!


impressive - kindly describe in plain text exactly how to do a perfect table faro reliably. I'll show that to one of my co-workers along with a pack of cards and we can find out if "you've got it".

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Re: table faro

Postby Jonathan Townsend » August 3rd, 2008, 6:18 pm

Hi Mats,

Thanks that is a nice video. One of our departed innovators and machinists Chalie Kalish used to show something like that as a one handed shuffle - impressive to see a faro done one-handed.

Do you also do the faro shuffle as a tabled shuffle in a way that looks like a standard riffle shuffle?

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Re: table faro

Postby Ian Kendall » August 3rd, 2008, 7:39 pm

There was a discussion about the differences between faro and riffle shuffles over on the Cafe, and in a moment of procrastinatory boredom I cut together a few shuffles.

http://www.virtualmagicshow.com/stuff/t ... othing.wmv

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Re: table faro

Postby Richard Kaufman » August 3rd, 2008, 9:31 pm

If you're seen doing something that looks like a Faro Shuffle, whether the cards are in the hands or on the table, it's going to appear suspicious since laymen have never seen anything like it--to them it's a flourish.
The true Tabled Faro appears to be a Riffle Shuffle.
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Re: table faro

Postby Paul Gordon » August 4th, 2008, 2:35 am

I still believe that you can aleviate that suspicion with good patter and attitude. I often say, "Some shuffles merely shuffle cards in bunches, but this shuffle actually mixes them all!" (I then point out the perfect mix.) I think the Faro (in the hands) can look dodgy if you try and hide it... If (IF) I finish it with a cascade/waterfall action, I say - "Look how well they mix..."

Mostly, however, I perform a straddle Faro...and I don't look at my hands while I do it...I look at the audience, and they naturally look at me. Then, the shuffle isn't highlighted.

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Re: table faro

Postby Harry Lorayne » August 4th, 2008, 10:30 am

I must have written it hundreds of times - Don't Try To Hide The Obvious. You're better off stressing it (in some instances). When I do an in-hand faro shuffle I always say that this is the way they shuffle in the Las Vegas casinos, to make sure the cards are mixed. They do it on the table; I want you to see it happen - etc. I've NEVER been called on it. HARRY LORAYNE.

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Re: table faro

Postby Mats Kjellstrom » August 5th, 2008, 5:16 am

Jonathan Townsend wrote:Hi Mats,

Thanks that is a nice video. One of our departed innovators and machinists Chalie Kalish used to show something like that as a one handed shuffle - impressive to see a faro done one-handed.

Do you also do the faro shuffle as a tabled shuffle in a way that looks like a standard riffle shuffle?

Jon


I do "normal" faro shuffle and table faro shuffle, plus one handed faro shuffle. First time I saw it was by the card expert R. Paul Wilson. He did it very well every single time I watched it (smile).

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One handed perfect table faro by Joseph Schmidt: Epilogue by Karl Fulves.

When I do perfect tabled faro shuffle I do it ala Martin Nash style, looks very natural.

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Re: table faro

Postby Mats Kjellstrom » August 5th, 2008, 5:27 am

"A friend of mine picked up a deck of cards and said he was going to show me a faro trick. I took out a gun and shot him."

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