Below is the link to a podcast from Michael Shermer's "SKEPTIC Magazine", described as follows:
"Lori Lipman Brown and Banachek
Continuing from last weeks interviews recorded at the Amazing Meeting 6 conference, Derek & Swoopy talk with secular lobbyist Lori Lipman Brown and her father Mel Lipman (both secular humanists with backgrounds in law and government).
They also speak with mentalist Banachek, who has been responsible for putting more magic and mentalism on American television than any other magic consultant in the world.
While the paths of these skeptics seem widely divergent, Derek & Swoopy learn that their common decision to further skepticism within their chosen professions illuminates many similar truths"
--The Banachek interview is first, and is quite good...
http://cdn2.libsyn.com/skepticality/081 ... 1fe45c13f7