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Postby friedpalm » 04/18/08 11:43 PM

What has happened to Penumbra?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/19/08 02:08 AM

It's tough to run a magazine.
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Postby Bob Kentner » 04/22/08 10:15 AM

It's always a gamble with magic publications on how long they will stay. Even though this one did not stay for a long time, I consider it a win.
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Postby RogueMD » 04/22/08 10:37 AM

Win indeed!
Any time you have something new from Ernest Earick it is a very good thing.
Oh yeah...and all those other cool guys...to numerous to name!
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Postby Richard Morrell » 04/22/08 11:54 AM

Yeah so tough you can't even find time to update your subscribers who have paid you good money to do a job. I am still two issues short of my subscription, I suppose I could e-mail them but I shouldn't have to do the chasing, if there is going to be a delay of any kind it should be upto them to inform their customers... there really is no excuse tough or not it takes 2 seconds to post here and to the green place... I suppose we all should have learnt by now the number of times these small run magazines just fade away.

At least Gene is doing a good job with Antinomy on time and if there is a delay he updates his website etc. that is how it should be done.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/22/08 12:06 PM

It's not easy to publish a magazine, no matter what the size. If you were to contact Bill Goodwin at Penumbra, he'll probably tell you that they're working on getting the next few issues out, which is true. But the delay means that the money that has come in has probably gone out--that could be an issue. I really don't know. Channel One has been out of sight for a long time as well.
For most small publishers, you have to know when to call it quits before inertia overtakes you. At least with both Richard's Almanac and The Looking Glass, I was able to get all the issues out and complete the files, even though they were years late.
It's easy to get all worked up and rant about your money--I've been there myself with Jeff Busby, for subscriptions to the Braue Notebooks, Arcane, and Epoptica. For the latter two magazines I never received even ONE issue of the subscriptions I paid for.
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Postby Steve Bryant » 04/22/08 12:46 PM

I still marvel at the comeback that Michael Ammar made when the Magical Arts Journal folded beneath him. His "catch-up issues" of the magazine constitute some of the best BOOKS in my library. Subscribers got more than they bargained for.
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Postby El Mystico » 04/22/08 01:50 PM

Absolutely. Ammar has his mockers; but kudos to him for the way he handled the MAJ problem. A real lesson in crisis management for anyone.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/22/08 02:19 PM

The Magical Arts Journal was an unusual situation: different from other incidents of a small magazine ceasing publication. In the case of MAJ, Ammar's partner just left, apparently with all the money after everyone renewed their subscriptions. Michael was in the brutal position of having to finance the publication and mailing of an entire year of issues at his own expense or risk losing magicians as customers for his products in the future. He did the right thing.
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Postby RogueMD » 04/22/08 02:43 PM

I didn't know that Richard....
That gives me new insight into Michael Ammar's character.
Thanks for the history.
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Postby Bob Kentner » 04/22/08 03:50 PM

I'm surprised anyone is in the magic magazine business. Limited market, limited advertiser (If you use have advertizing). Seems like a lot of work for very little reward and many complaints. Most of these projects have to be for the pure love of magic.
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Postby DrDanny » 04/22/08 04:56 PM

I've always been amazed that Lorayne kept Apolalypse running as long as he did. He doesn't strike me as the kind who would've run it at a loss for very long. Thus I can only assume it broke even at worst. Journals of that ilk are clearly a LOT of effort.

What ever the motivation, I'm awfully thankful for those roll-yer-own journals. I've been having a wonderful time reading the New Jinx, and plan to start on Ibidem next.
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Postby Ian Richards » 04/22/08 06:03 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:In the case of MAJ, Ammar's partner just left, apparently with all the money after everyone renewed their subscriptions.


I just had a flashback to AM/PM
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/22/08 10:31 PM

Harry always says his books are a labor of love--and that's true. So are mine. But we generally make money. The reason they are a "labor of love" is because the money NEVER comes close to compensating us for the labor involved.
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Postby Gene Taylor » 04/23/08 10:57 AM

I have to agree with Richard on both his "It's tough to run a magazine" and "labor of love" comments.

But, because I'm feeling the love, I'd like to mention that ANTINOMY #13 is now available.

And it was tough...
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Postby Justin Fraser » 04/23/08 03:11 PM

I have faith in bill goodwin and gordon bean.....good things take time
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Postby Matthew Field » 04/25/08 05:12 AM

Ditto.

Bill Goodwin and Gordon Bean have done an outstanding job with Penumbra. I am more than happy to wait as long as necessary for the issues.

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Postby Brad Henderson » 04/26/08 03:37 PM

I just pulled out my file. How many issues are there so far? 10? plus the "summer extra"?
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Postby Joe Mckay » 04/26/08 03:52 PM

I too have faith in Bill and Gordon. This is a great magazine. I recently sold off alot of my magic collection but I kept my file of The Penumbra. There are ten issues in my file.

Maybe I am being slow, but I thought the talk about a 'Summer Extra' was some kind of prank from a couple of years ago?

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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/26/08 03:54 PM

It was a prank put together by some folks in Canada. It is almost impossible to tell that it's not a real issue unless you know what to look for.
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Postby Brad Henderson » 04/26/08 04:04 PM

Its got a couple of very smart ideas in it!
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/26/08 10:43 PM

[censored], I'm about to reach 9,000 posts.
Omigod.
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Postby castawaydave » 04/26/08 11:03 PM

--And every one a gem!

Keep up the good work, Chief.


P.S. The Penumbra is cool, but irritating. I know: patience is a virtue...but sheesh...
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Postby John LeBlanc » 04/27/08 10:44 AM

Ian Richards wrote:I just had a flashback to AM/PM


Now there's a textbook example of how not to handle things.
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Postby David Alexander » 04/27/08 01:06 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:[censored], I'm about to reach 9,000 posts.
Omigod.


OK...if each post was 2 minutes long (reading/responding), that will translate to 18,000 minutes, or 300 hours or seven and a half 40-hour weeks spent on line.

Maybe each post doesn't take two minutes, but still, that's a lot of posting.

And then there's time answering email...
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/27/08 01:35 PM

I could've written a book in all that time.
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Postby John Carey » 04/27/08 04:08 PM

Richard Kaufman wrote:[censored], I'm about to reach 9,000 posts.
Omigod.
You are the Kavanagh of the Genii forum Mister K
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Postby Raj Madhok » 04/27/08 10:56 PM

Back to the original question posted. Having been in touch with Bill Goodwin I know he is working on the next issue. As to when to expect the next mailing from Hotel Penumbra is still unclear...
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Postby Bob Farmer » 04/28/08 12:29 PM

Bill told me he's just waiting for Howard Lyons to finish the final editing and then they're good to go.
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