The Koran Deck

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Postby Rennie » 04/08/08 11:55 AM

Anyone able to help on the set up for the Koran Deck. I have 2 decks that are supposedly Koran, just tell me if either is correct.

1 - The deck is set up with 3 cards (eg; 3s / 6d / 9c). Set up is, 3X6X9X3X6X9X and so on for 52 cards. The X being an indifferent card.

2 - Deck contains 48 cards made up of 12 different cards repeated 4 times. The 12 cards are as follows, KH/QS/JD/10C/9H/8S/5D/6C/3H/4S/AD/2C. Black cards are odd, red cards are even.

Without going into the actual method here, can anyone substantiate which is the Koran Deck?
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 04/08/08 12:39 PM

um...if this is about the "standard" 5-star pack then neither as best I recall.

where did those packs come from?

anyway 1x2x3x4x1x2x3x4... 48 cards FYI
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Postby Rennie » 04/08/08 02:39 PM

Jonathan Townsend wrote:
where did those packs come from?



Jonathan,
The 1st deck was included with a card effect called "Identical Impossibility"
The 2nd deck was sold as a Koran Deck. However I had gotten different descriptions of the deck and was not sure.
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Postby Max Maven » 04/08/08 03:24 PM

Neither deck was original with Al Koran. The first you describe is a modified 1-0-1 Deck; the version using four force-cards is what Koran used for the "Five-Star Prediction," and it is sometimes referred to as a "Koran Deck."

The second is the one that was marketed in the 1960s as the "Koran Deck," but it was copped directly from Audley Walsh's "Magician's Dream" which appeared in The Jinx in the 1930s, and was devised earlier.
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Postby Rennie » 04/08/08 07:19 PM

Wow, if anyone knows his stuff it is Max. Thank you very much..
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Postby Rennie » 04/09/08 12:35 PM

Well as I stated above about Max knowing his stuff.
I checked my Jinx issues and lo and behold there it was in Volume # 43, dated April 1938 on page 298 "Magicians Dream" by Audley Walsh. It is identical to the deck I have with the exception they removed (as I recall) the 9's where mine had the 7's removed, otherwise identical.
My next question would be "Max, how do you remember things like this?"
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/09/08 09:11 PM

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Postby Ray » 05/08/09 05:04 PM

Thanks for this post. I've been going through my "decks" and trying to organize and identify. This helped me identify the 101 deck I have and also how I can pair it with the Platt envelope I purchased from Eugene Burger a while back. Thanks.

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Postby oneeye » 06/12/09 05:15 AM

HI READ WITH INTEREST THE KORAN DECK ITEM. I HAVE USED THE KORAN FORCK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS , IT IS 4 CARDS REPEATED 6 TIMES WITH A DIFF CARD BETWEEN EACH CARD MAKING 48 CARD DECK, WITH A DUPLICATE SET OF THE FORCES FOR THE POCKET. I HAVE A NICE ROUTINE FOR THE EFFECT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE IT.
ALSO THE KORAN MENTALIST IS A 48 CARD CARD DECK, WITH THIS EFFECT THE SELECTED CARD CAN BE NAMED WITH 3 SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
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Postby Richard Perrin » 06/13/09 01:10 AM

Wow! You're screaming out loud!
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Postby PMS » 01/23/10 01:33 PM

For those who like this idea, you might find the review from Peter duffie interesting:
I intended to post this on one of two Dream Deck threads that I had read a few weeks ago. But one of the threads is now locked, and the other thread appears to now be an invisible thread. So, this is not intended to be a review, as such, just a quick opinion. Anyway, I ordered a Dream Deck from www.therealmagicrealm.com and it arrived in the UK in a week. After I received it I was also sent a PDF with further ideas. So, excellent service and an equally excellent product.

The Dream Deck is a great idea. While it falls into the category of the Walsh/Koran deck or Kennedy Mind Power Deck (to name but two), due to a new arrangement the repeated force cards are better concealed. In fact, I spread through the cards when I first opened it and didn't see the set up. I am perfectly confident giving this deck to a spectator and asking them to spread through and think of a card. If I didn't see the set-up ... neither will they! This is the "think of a card" deck I will use from now on.
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Postby Reinhard Mueller » 02/26/10 05:53 PM

I just got an interesting information by Clemens Ilgner about a forerunner of the Magician's Dream deck:

In Hoffmann's MORE MAGIC (1890) you will read in Chapter II "To "FORCE" A CARD. New Methods"; and in the sub-chapter "To Force three Cards together" the following passage:
"...I have a series of three cards, ten times repeated, thus: knave, seven, queen; knave, seven, queen, and so. on to the end...."
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Postby Bob Farmer » 02/26/10 06:50 PM

From its description above, "The Dream Deck" is NOT a think-of-a-card deck at all. The magician does not name the mentally selected card -- he asks the spectator to do so.

Also, the description makes no sense: a number is predicted, and after the spectator names his card the number is shown to be correct. What does that mean? What is the relationship of the number to the mentally selected card?

The ad says no questions are asked but this is obviously untrue since someone (the magician?) has to ask the spectator to name his card.

Referencing other think-of-card decks (like the Mind Power Deck) is misleading -- there is no relationship between the two tricks since the mentally selected card is named by the spectator, not the magician.

The whole thing sounds like a dud to me.
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