MacDonald's Aces Handlings

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Postby Sean-Dylan » 03/24/08 11:48 AM

Can anyone provide what they think is the best MacDonald's Aces handlings in print and why?
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 03/24/08 12:50 PM

Dingle's is very good.
Guy Hollingworth has a good handling in his book.
Jennings' "McJennings Aces" which I published in MAGIC is very good.
There are many handlings of this effect, which originated with Hofzinser in about 1850.
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Postby Irving Quant » 03/24/08 05:18 PM

This isn't in print, or it might be I dont know. But I have heard that John Guastaferro;s Famous Aces from Second Storm is pretty good.

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Postby Bill Duncan » 03/24/08 06:11 PM

Famous Aces is MORE than pretty good. It's excellent, and if you like anthropomorphic presentations, there a plus there too.

It's not a McDonald's Aces though, because the aces actually vanish from each packet leaving them 'minus one.'
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Postby Aldo Romano » 03/24/08 07:09 PM

The key to getting good reaction from this trick is a very simple one. Always have the spectator put their hand on the aces throughout the performance. The reaction will double when the aces are revealed. I know that some remarkable performers have not followed this path but I do think in most cases it is to be recommended.

Richard is right. Even though the trick is credited to Mac Macdonald (who only had one arm) it was actually invented by Hofzinser and was known as "The Power of Faith"
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Postby Leonard Hevia » 03/24/08 10:30 PM

I just recently read Dingle's version in Magicana. The version in Magicana is not the same handling found in Dingle's Complete Works. There's also a great write-up in Magicana on setting up for this effect from a full deck of cards. This desciption can be found in the first or second year after Kaufman took the reigns of Genii.
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Postby Richard Morrell » 03/25/08 09:12 PM

If you want an unusual approach and what is an excellent handling check out Jack Parkers The Three Stooges which appeared in Genii and also is in 52 Memories. I was one of the 'Stooges' when Jack showed this at The Session and smoked me and a room full of magicians, its a great hands-off handling that involves three people and allows them to do all the magic, and is typical of Jacks thinking.
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Postby Pete Biro » 03/27/08 01:55 PM

IMHO the BEST LAYDOWN to start is 'STARTLED' by Emile Clifton. Sooo smooth and sooo decpeively easy. Available from Card by Martin.
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Postby Reinhard Mueller » 03/30/08 01:17 PM

Don't forget
Frank Garcia's Handling in the NEW STARS OF MAGIC, Vol.1 No.2 "MacDonald's $100 Dollar Four Ace Trick", Tannen, Inc. New York 1972
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Postby Glenn Bishop » 04/15/08 03:48 PM

I have used two different handlings for this trick. The first guy I saw do this routine was Bob Rath of WI. Later I worked out two different routines for this effect. I liked the first two ace productions but I did not like the last two ace productions in the original routine.

I found when performing this for lay people the first two ace productions were "stronger" than the last two ace productions. So I ended up working out two new ways of doing it that better suited my performing style.

And I still do them the same way at shows today.

Just my opinion.
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Postby Silly Walter » 04/18/08 06:01 PM

Stewart Judah has an excellent laydown sequence for this effect in Pallbearers Review. MacDonald's Aces is such a powerful trick that even Chuck Fayne's [censored] version plays well.
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/18/08 09:24 PM

Ah, Walter, back again I see. Why do you have to plop on Chuck Fayne? I'm sure there are worse versions in print than his?
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Postby Cugel » 04/18/08 11:45 PM

I don't care what anyone says about his McDonald Aces. Chuck has the funniest comedy club act in magic. His curmudgeonly (grumpy old wombat) demeanour is hilarious and the peeked selections routine is a killer.
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Postby Silly Walter » 04/19/08 01:41 AM

Cugel wrote:I don't care what anyone says about his McDonald Aces. Chuck has the funniest comedy club act in magic. His curmudgeonly (grumpy old wombat) demeanour is hilarious and the peeked selections routine is a killer.


I totally agree. He has that character down pat and he has a great act. I just don't know if I can forgive him for releasing that crappy lecture video.

No offense !!!
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Postby Silly Walter » 04/19/08 01:44 AM

Richard Kaufman wrote:Ah, Walter, back again I see. Why do you have to plop on Chuck Fayne? I'm sure there are worse versions in print than his?


You are probably right Richard, but nothing comes to mind. I'll check through my Randy Wakeman books just to be sure.
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Postby Cugel » 04/19/08 03:29 AM

Yep. That DVD was [censored], no doubt.
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Postby Glenn Bishop » 04/19/08 09:07 AM

If I remember right - Johnny Thompson had a good routine on this on one of his video's.

I hope this helps.
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Postby Q. Kumber » 04/20/08 06:09 PM

Back in the early 80's myself and another two magicians were booked to do close-up magic nightly in a restaurant - . Each of us had McDonald's Aces in our repertoires. The maitre d' would introduce us at the tables and frequently watch our performances.

Over the six month time we were there, he figured out all our tricks, except McDonald's Aces.

I must resurrect it.
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 04/20/08 06:18 PM

Silly Walter wrote:Stewart Judah has an excellent laydown sequence for this effect in Pallbearers Review. MacDonald's Aces is such a powerful trick that ...


hey great misdirection there!

Would you recall the issue or page number for this?
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Postby Silly Walter » 04/20/08 07:42 PM

Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Silly Walter wrote:Stewart Judah has an excellent laydown sequence for this effect in Pallbearers Review. MacDonald's Aces is such a powerful trick that ...


hey great misdirection there!

Would you recall the issue or page number for this?


Autumn 1974 Issue (Volume 9). It's in a Stewart Judah one man issue and the trick is called MacDonald's Aces.
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Postby Jim Martin » 04/20/08 10:32 PM

Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Silly Walter wrote:
Would you recall the issue or page number for this?


Autumn 1974 Issue (Volume 9).


See pp. 807-808; yes SW, it is an excellent sequence.
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Postby Leonard Hevia » 04/23/08 05:46 PM

A fellow from Japan asked me which issue of Genii contains the updated Dingle version of Macdonalds's Aces. The issue is December 2004...
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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 04/23/08 08:19 PM

Is that the one using the Stuart Gordon Turnover and the KM variant under the fan? He did that bit for the group when he visited the Governor Cafeteria way back when.

Did his "quick three way" where you wind up able to show all three cards identical at the end ever hit print? Or the one with the jokers->guarentee jokers->fourkings...

Yeah it was a memorable visit :)
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Postby Richard Kaufman » 04/23/08 10:14 PM

Jonathan, to answer your second question (because I can't remember the answer to the first): no, those versions of "Quick D-Way" are not published. Can you provide details to my e-mail address?
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Postby retepnap » 05/01/08 03:29 PM

does anyone do the Erdnase version with the Queens? The one that Ricky Jay does in his show? i made the cards and use that everytime i perform it, i know its not MacDonalds aces, but i use the same handling that i learned from the Dingle handling in genii, only with the patter from Erdnase...i feel it gives a reason to the trick, and the story when told right, pulls people in and gets them interested in the plot, and it becomes more of a performance piece than just a neat trick one can do...
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Postby Bo Jonsson » 05/01/08 03:46 PM

I believe that it is Frank Garcia doing his handling from the New Stars of Magic Here:

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Postby Jonathan Townsend » 05/01/08 03:48 PM

retepnap- the spoken part of the script Ricky Jay uses may be the text from erdnase but the handling, including the production and vanishes, used is not at all what's in that book.

RK - will do. Have to go back and review what I recall seeing him do a few times to go from visual impressions to moves and setups - and send you an email.
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Postby retepnap » 05/02/08 09:24 AM

i know the productions and vanishes are not from the book, i was just talking about the patter, i learned the way from the book but didnt like the way you had to lay the supposed queens face down, so when i saw the handleing Ricky Jay does, and realized its basically the same as the MacDonald aces, i quickly adjusted how i was doing it, and ended up using the Derek Dingle Handling of the Aces...

just out of curiosity, is there any place to get the Queens with indifferent backs, all of my double faced queens have two of the queens with indifferent backs, and then two of them have queens on the other side, Queen of hearts/Queen of clubs, Queen of clubs/Queen of Hearts...i have been making my own for the past few years but can not seem to find all four, or actually a full three queens with indifferent backs????
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Postby Edward » 05/03/08 07:12 PM

retepnap, Marty at martinismagic.com will make some up for you at a great price. Very nice gentleman.
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Postby retepnap » 05/08/08 11:49 AM

thanks
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